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VenomousNinja
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Master Chief (HALO) vs Samus Aran (METROID)

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Started: 7/18/2008 Category: Entertainment
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Zero

Pro

Basically, this debate is just about arguing who'd win in a fight to the death. The fight take s place on on the Halo 3 multiplayer map known as Valhalla.

Any questions about the debate can be posted in the comment section and I will respond promptly.

I'll let my opponent choose whom they want to argue in favor of (Master Chief or Samus Aran) in the next round, and I'll start off my round 2 in providing arguments for the character I'm stuck defending.
VenomousNinja

Con

I choose Samus Aran.

My defense: She was the arm cannon and the morph ball, all in the one suit, not to mention the ability to gain new weapons through the course of adventure or battle. Samus could simply walk up to chief, bring out the Zap Cannon, and shock him to death. If she doesn't have that, she could easily sneak up on him with the morph ball, drop a bomb, BAMM!, she flys right over him, escapes, and he is hurt, thus leaving him vunerable to more attacks.
Debate Round No. 1
Zero

Pro

I choose Samus Aran.

The instigator has chosen Samus Aran, therefore, I shall choose Master Chief. I realize that he is the more popular of the two and ask that people not vote simply because they realize that the Chief is "cooler."

Note: The instigator leaves the terms for this debate unquestioned, therefore, we will be arguing that the fight takes place on the Halo 3 multiplayer map known as valhalla.

"She was the arm cannon and the morph ball"

Chief still has more weapons than Samus, not to mention that he could at any time simply get into a Banshee or a tank during this match and blow Samus sky high.

"Samus could simply walk up to chief, bring out the Zap Cannon, and shock him to death."

That assumes that Samus will be able to walk up to the chief. Chief wouldn't allow that. And like most good Halo players, Chief could simply go to a good sniping spot and snipe Samus to oblivion. She'd be dead before she even realized where the Chief was hiding. Chief could also use the spartan lazer if he wanted to.

"If she doesn't have that, she could easily sneak up on him with the morph ball, drop a bomb, BAMM!, she flys right over him, escapes, and he is hurt, thus leaving him vunerable to more attacks."

Once again, how is she going to sneak up on him? Chief is smart enough to hide and attack from a distance. Plus, Chief could throw out a radar jammer assuming her tracking device is good enough to detect the Chief.

So far, I've refuted the instigator's arguments on why the Chief would defeat Samus. Now I shall provide some offense.

First, Chief is on a map he is familiar with, so he has the home field advantage.

Second, he has more useful weapons to choose from. If Samus were to in fact get up close to the Chief, he could plug her arm cannon with a sticky grenade and destroy it instantly. Also, if you'll the note the metroid games, Samus loses her abilities when she is hit with a tremendous amount of force (this can be seen at the beginning of metroid prime). All Chief has to do is hit her with a gravity hammer to make her lose all of her abilities besides being able to blast with her arm cannon.

Third, Chief has Cortanna to help him out since she is plugged inside his armor. While Chief is fighting her, Cortanna could easily analyze Samus' weaknesses or hack into her body and shut her suit down.

Fourth, the Chief has impressive Super human strength. This is shown in all the times he has managed to flip over any of his vehicles (including the tank).

Noting these four points as well as my refutation of the instigator's offense, it is highly clear that Master Chief would prove victorious in a battle with Samus.
VenomousNinja

Con

"Chief still has more weapons than Samus, not to mention that he could at any time simply get into a Banshee or a tank during this match and blow Samus sky high."

Samus could also do this.

"That assumes that Samus will be able to walk up to the chief. Chief wouldn't allow that. And like most good Halo players, Chief could simply go to a good sniping spot and snipe Samus to oblivion. She'd be dead before she even realized where the Chief was hiding. Chief could also use the spartan lazer if he wanted to."

Samus could then, instead of walking, bring out a zoomin weapon and snipe chief before he kills her. Now, you'll probably say that chief won't allow this, well, that argument fails due to chief being out in the open and Samus hiding.

Oh, and Samus could also use the Spartan Lazer.

"Once again, how is she going to sneak up on him? Chief is smart enough to hide and attack from a distance. Plus, Chief could throw out a radar jammer assuming her tracking device is good enough to detect the Chief"
She'll sneak up on him using the morph ball. Therefore she becomes smaller than a tire. I'm pretty sure that anyone could sneak up on anything when they're smaller than a tire, if they catch the victim at the right time.

Plus, Samus needs to tracking device, seeing as she has eyes.

"First, Chief is on a map he is familiar with, so he has the home field advantage."
Oh, woop-dee-doo, he knows where some rocks are. Home field advantage is nothing, especially with Samus. She never has the home field advantage, and yet always overcomes her opponenets.

"Second, he has more useful weapons to choose from. If Samus were to in fact get up close to the Chief, he could plug her arm cannon with a sticky grenade and destroy it instantly. Also, if you'll the note the metroid games, Samus loses her abilities when she is hit with a tremendous amount of force (this can be seen at the beginning of metroid prime). All Chief has to do is hit her with a gravity hammer to make her lose all of her abilities besides being able to blast with her arm cannon."
The arm cannon can be very useful. Oh, and if cheif were close enough to hit Samus with any kind of close-ranged weapon, Samus would simply just kill chief.

Also, Samus can use any weapon chief can.

"Third, Chief has Cortanna to help him out since she is plugged inside his armor. While Chief is fighting her, Cortanna could easily analyze Samus' weaknesses or hack into her body and shut her suit down."

And while the chief is waiting for that to help him out, he'd be killed by Samus. Besides, she could easily just get out of the suit, grab some guns, and kill chief anyway.

"Fourth, the Chief has impressive Super human strength. This is shown in all the times he has managed to flip over any of his vehicles (including the tank)."

Super human strength is nothing when compared to tactics and far-ranged weapons, both of which Samus has.

Now, having said all this, it is clear the Samus would be the victor in a fight against Master Chief.
Debate Round No. 2
Zero

Pro

"Samus could also do this."

What evidence is there to show that Samus would possess the knowledge needed to pilot either vehicle? Contrary to the Convenent and the Marines, there's no way we can determine that she had captured one of these vehicles in the past and conducted study.

"Samus could then, instead of walking, bring out a zoomin weapon and snipe chief before he kills her. Now, you'll probably say that chief won't allow this, well, that argument fails due to chief being out in the open and Samus hiding."

But my argument was that Chief would be the one hiding. Still, if you're saying that they'll both hide, Chief has the advantage, or have you forgotten that the Chief knows every nook and cranny of this map. Knowing all of the vantage points on Vahalla is advantageous. Chief would know every place Samus could hide, would have a means of disabling whatever tracking system she could use (radar jammer) (crouching works too). On the other hand, Samus possesses neither of these advantages.

"Oh, and Samus could also use the Spartan Lazer."

No, she couldn't unless she removed her armor (the spartan lazer requires two hands). And if she removes her armor, she'll lose any advantage that comes from having the armor. Specifically, you say she'd use the morph ball to get the Chief by surprise, but she wouldn't have this advantage. Furthermore, the Chief could simply put on the cloaking device located on Vahalla (the blue orbish thingy) as Samus wouldn't even have a chance of detecting him without her armor.

"She'll sneak up on him using the morph ball. Therefore she becomes smaller than a tire. I'm pretty sure that anyone could sneak up on anything when they're smaller than a tire, if they catch the victim at the right time."

While she thinks she is sneaking up on him via morph ball, the Chief will be chuckling to himself as he sees a red dot slowly approaching him on his radar. He will then turn around and dispose of Samus with a close range weapon (the gravity hammer would suffice). Of course, if she doesn't get close enough to him, it wouldn't matter as he'd still know where she was located and could quickly dispose of her with a long range weapon as well.

"Plus, Samus needs to tracking device, seeing as she has eyes."

I'll assume you meant "needs no tracking device", and no, eyes aren't good enough. The Chief knows where to get the stealth items and also knows of all the vantage points on the map. Eyes alone would be useless. While Samus strains out her eyeballs in search of the Chief, Chief could take her out via sniper rifle.

"Oh, woop-dee-doo, he knows where some rocks are. Home field advantage is nothing, especially with Samus. She never has the home field advantage, and yet always overcomes her opponenets."

Since most of Samus's enemies lack even a remote amount of intelligence, this doesn't say much. The regular enemies are comparable to the typical wild life's intelligence on our own planet. The bosses are even dumber as most of them follow the same strategy over and over again in attempt to kill Samus, thus making her fights extremely easy. On the other hand, Master Chief has fought nearly all of his battles without the home field advantage against extremely intelligent enemies (organized Covenent army and Brutes) and has come out on top. Bottomline, against the Chief, Samus not possessing any knowledge of the battlefield whereas the Chief possesses IMMENSE knowledge is very disadvantageous. Hell, Chief even knows where all the weapons are, so when (as the contender points out) Samus strips away her armor (hence making herself much weaker) and attempts to pick up any useful weapon, Chief will know just where she would have to go to do this and can set traps (waiting on her with the sniper rifle or spartan lazer is one of many potential tactics).

"The arm cannon can be very useful. Oh, and if cheif were close enough to hit Samus with any kind of close-ranged weapon, Samus would simply just kill chief.

Already covered this.

"And while the chief is waiting for that to help him out, he'd be killed by Samus. Besides, she could easily just get out of the suit, grab some guns, and kill chief anyway."

Who says the Chief would be waiting? He could fight Samus at the same time. And I've already covered what will happen if she gets out of her suit. 1) She won't be able to use it again. 2) The physical improvements the suit gave (speed, agility, aiming, etc) would be gone, thus making the battle the equivalent to a toddler fighting Muhammad Ali in his prime. 3) Chief knows the location of all the weapons and will therefore being to plan around Samus picking up any useful ones (like I said, from the safety of a vantage point, he could take her down as she picked up a weapon).

"Super human strength is nothing when compared to tactics and far-ranged weapons, both of which Samus has."

First, Samus has no sniping weapons, so that's wrong. And I've already covered what will happen when she resorts to picking up any of the Chief's weapons. As for tactics, the Chief has been battling the covenent since the age of 6. His experience makes him a tactical genius, not to mention that as I've pointed out, the Chief's are smarter than Samus's enemies in general. So in terms of who is more likely smarter, this one goes to the Chief. Oh, and once again, lets not forget that Cortanna would be helping him.

And that's all for round 2.
VenomousNinja

Con

"What evidence is there to show that Samus would possess the knowledge needed to pilot either vehicle? Contrary to the Convenent and the Marines, there's no way we can determine that she had captured one of these vehicles in the past and conducted study."

The fact that she pilots a spaceship, which is much harder to do than jump into a vehicle, step on a pedal, and turn a wheel.

"But my argument was that Chief would be the one hiding. Still, if you're saying that they'll both hide, Chief has the advantage, or have you forgotten that the Chief knows every nook and cranny of this map. Knowing all of the vantage points on Vahalla is advantageous. Chief would know every place Samus could hide, would have a means of disabling whatever tracking system she could use (radar jammer) (crouching works too). On the other hand, Samus possesses neither of these advantages."

Chief would not have the advantage. Samus would, because it doesn't matter if Cheif knows wherever Samus could be hiding if he gets close to her to attack, or if she is behind him, zooming in on him to snipe.

And the radar jamming arguement fails, due to the fact that vision exists and neither of the contenders in this battle are blind.

"No, she couldn't unless she removed her armor (the spartan lazer requires two hands). And if she removes her armor, she'll lose any advantage that comes from having the armor. Specifically, you say she'd use the morph ball to get the Chief by surprise, but she wouldn't have this advantage. Furthermore, the Chief could simply put on the cloaking device located on Vahalla (the blue orbish thingy) as Samus wouldn't even have a chance of detecting him without her armor."

Actually, she just needs to remove her arm cannon, not the whole suit of armor.

And the cloaking device won't work, seeing as how you have to stay in one area to use the device. Furthermore, Samus could easily get to the device before chief and use it before him.

"While she thinks she is sneaking up on him via morph ball, the Chief will be chuckling to himself as he sees a red dot slowly approaching him on his radar. He will then turn around and dispose of Samus with a close range weapon (the gravity hammer would suffice). Of course, if she doesn't get close enough to him, it wouldn't matter as he'd still know where she was located and could quickly dispose of her with a long range weapon as well."

The morph ball is quick, and when chief turns around she will simply move around or away from chief, in the form of a morph ball, and hide behind a rock or some other shield, thus making her safe from any long range weapons equipped by chief, unless he moves to where he can shoot at her, which in that case she shall shoot at him.

"I'll assume you meant "needs no tracking device", and no, eyes aren't good enough. The Chief knows where to get the stealth items and also knows of all the vantage points on the map. Eyes alone would be useless. While Samus strains out her eyeballs in search of the Chief, Chief could take her out via sniper rifle."

Wouldn't it be hard to snipe a rapidly moving target? Yes, yes it would. No matter what training anyone's recieved the sniper rifle relies on the target to be unaware that they are in danger.

Samus is aware, seeing as how she is in a battle against Chief, and would know that he is planning something. Furthermore, she could just hide behind a rock that covers her on most or all sides, and if one is not avaliable, she could easily make one by moving the rocks she needed to shield her to one spot and ducking behind them.

"Since most of Samus's enemies lack even a remote amount of intelligence, this doesn't say much. The regular enemies are comparable to the typical wild life's intelligence on our own planet. The bosses are even dumber as most of them follow the same strategy over and over again in attempt to kill Samus, thus making her fights extremely easy. On the other hand, Master Chief has fought nearly all of his battles without the home field advantage against extremely intelligent enemies (organized Covenent army and Brutes) and has come out on top. Bottomline, against the Chief, Samus not possessing any knowledge of the battlefield whereas the Chief possesses IMMENSE knowledge is very disadvantageous. Hell, Chief even knows where all the weapons are, so when (as the contender points out) Samus strips away her armor (hence making herself much weaker) and attempts to pick up any useful weapon, Chief will know just where she would have to go to do this and can set traps (waiting on her with the sniper rifle or spartan lazer is one of many potential tactics)."

Ahh, now here is the problem: Most of your argument relies on AI programming faults, which does not affect their respective universes, only games. In truth, the 'bosses' are very intelligent, as are some of her regular enemies.

Also, she need not strip her armor to pick up a useful weapon, as useful is a relative term. She always has one arm free, and could just as easily use that, or rely on her arm cannon, which she trusts not to blow up.

"Already covered this."

If you already covered it, then I most likely already refuted it.

"Who says the Chief would be waiting?"

You do. All the time. You keep stating that Chief would be able to take Samus down with a long range weapon, thus forcing him to wait in some tree with a sniper rifle while Samus runs around, thus making it very difficult for him to aim.

"
He could fight Samus at the same time. And I've already covered what will happen if she gets out of her suit. 1) She won't be able to use it again. 2) The physical improvements the suit gave (speed, agility, aiming, etc) would be gone, thus making the battle the equivalent to a toddler fighting Muhammad Ali in his prime. 3) Chief knows the location of all the weapons and will therefore being to plan around Samus picking up any useful ones (like I said, from the safety of a vantage point, he could take her down as she picked up a weapon)."

1) She could always put it on again.

2) Samus has been out of her suit before, and survived just fine without it.

3) Useful is a relative term. And the Chief wouldn't have enough traps to cover all the weapons he considers 'useful', unless he only considers brute force 'useful', which is a dreadfully bad mistake to make.

"First, Samus has no sniping weapons, so that's wrong."
First, she does. The Imperailist, which is found in Metroid Prime: Hunters. Also, seeing as you haven't decided anything about the time of the battle, it shall take place after all of the games, books, etc. etc.

"And I've already covered what will happen when she resorts to picking up any of the Chief's weapons."
Already got this.

"As for tactics, the Chief has been battling the covenent since the age of 6."
All that proves is that he knows how to use a few guns. Battling since the age of six won't help you unless you learn from your experiences, which Cheif probably didn't do, otherwise he'd be able to wipe out the whole horde of aliens attacking his colony.

"the Chief's are smarter than Samus's enemies in general."
Already covered this.

"So in terms of who is more likely smarter, this one goes to the Chief."

Likely, smarter, not definately smarter. Remember, Samus can pilot a very complex space ship, has been using a very complex suit for a good while now, and has traveled to alien lands where the foreign technology is better than ours, and she has taken advantage of that.

Cortana, also, cannot help Cheif as this is a battle between Cheif and Samus, not Chief and him and her against Samus at him and that. Just a battle between Cheif and Samus, only.
Debate Round No. 3
Zero

Pro

Re: "Samus piloting the Chief's vehicles":

The only argument my opponent provides to favor this claim is that samus' ship is more difficult to pilot than MC's vehicles, but (besides the fact that this is just a baseless opinion) for all we know, Samus doesn't even pilot her ship, but rather leaves it to the on board A.I system. We know nothing about Samus's spaceship as there is no Metroid canon which covers the details of the ships mechanics. Arguments are not opinions. Therefore, the contender has given you no logical reason to believe that Samus could say "pilot the banshee or either of the tanks." We know Chief has a mastery over both vehicles and we know that he has decades of study and practice, whereas Samus knows next to nothing. At most, she could attempt to figure out how to pilot the vehicles, but as she sits around doing that, the Chief would instantly take her down with a sticky grenade, the spartan lazer or any other weapon which can easily dispatch vehicles.

RE: "Samus not relying on radar, but rather pure vision"

I went over this in the last round as well as the round before that. Samus would be a fool to rely on eyesight as Master Chief could use the best hiding spots on Vahalla to elude her mere eye sight as well as put on the cloaking device to make him completely invisible,

RE:"Samus just needs to remove her arm cannon."

The contender is very misinformed to conclude that samus can remove her arm cannon while functioning the rest of her suit as this is no more than conjecture. Not only that, but as shown in this video, she has the device on her ship remove the suit:

The most we've ever seen her freely remove without using her ship's device is her helmet. Furthermore, the only way she ever removes her entire suit without aid in any of the other games is through using too much energy (which causes the entire suit to self destruct; this is nodded at whenever you see Samus use her Final Smash in SSBB). Given the facts, it is far more reasonable to conclude that Samus simply cannot do what the contender wants you to believe. Though if he wants you to believe anything, he'd better provide you with solid evidence.

RE: "the cloaking device won't work"

The contender is in error as the cloaking device possesses no such flaw. If he means that Chief wouldn't be able to use it long enough to move past one area, then I believe he missed the intention of my argument as I was dictating that Chief would use the device to FURTHER conceal himself while sniping.

As for Samus getting it, that is possible, but once again, unlikely that she could get it before Chief as Chief knows the entire map like the back of his hand whereas Samus would merely be doing guess work. If anything, she wouldn't even know what the device does (not without taking the time to scan it, which would only result in her not attempting to keep track of the Chief). And again, the Chief could easily stage a trap around any weapon/item that could provide an advantage.

RE: "Samus could outmaneuver Chief with the morph ball"

Master Chief possess extraordinary reflexes and the contender has already conceded to him having superhuman physical prowess. He'd turn around as fast (if not, then faster) as samus reacted regardless of whether or not she was using the morph ball. While Samus was attempting to escape, Chief could quickly eliminate

RE: "Wouldn't it be hard to snipe a rapidly moving target?"

No, no it wouldn't:

These videos represent how impressive the Chief's sniping abilities are.

People snipe rapidly moving targets in Halo 3 all the time. Just because it might prove impossible for Samus doesn't mean the Chief can't do so. In those vids, the players in the vid have shown that master Chief has the capacity to snipe rapidly moving targets WITHOUT EVEN USING THE SCOPE. This is WAY above Samus Aran's level.

RE: "Samus could hide behind a rock that covers her on most or all sides"

1) Name the area on valhalla where such a rock exist. I've yet to find this kind of vantage point. 2) How will Samus know Chief was preparing to snipe her? After all, she would need MOTIVATION in order to do what the contender is saying. 3) If Samus attempted to rearrange rocks, it would take time, and Master Chief would blast her to smithereens before she finished. NOt only that, but he could destroy both her and the rocks with the spartan lazer.

RE: "A.I faults"

It doesn't matter whether or not it's a fault of the A.I programming. We have no choice but to accept Samus's enemies as they are. And as they are, they are pretty much all about as dumb as a sack of peanuts. It doesn't speak much for Samus to consider them worthy adversaries. The contender has no legitimate argument that proves that Samus' enemies are very intelligent and is suggesting that his most credible source (the game itself) is wrong about the enemies intelligent. This pretty much speaks for itself.

RE: "You keep stating that Chief would be able to take Samus down with a long range weapon, thus forcing him to wait in some tree with a sniper rifle while Samus runs around, thus making it very difficult for him to aim."

That's not "waiting" in the sense of not doing anything but listening to Cortana. That's waiting in the sense of "being ready to blow Samus' brains out." Besides, the main point I was attempting to get across is that the Chief could rely on Cortana's help at any point in this fight no matter what he was doing.

In response to the other points numerically:

1) See my points on her arm cannon.

2) Facing a bunch of weak brainless aliens is different from facing a highly intelligent adversary with super human abilities, uncanny marksmanship, uncanny weapons, decades of battle experience, as well as one sided knowledge of the battlefield.

3) By useful, I meant any weapon which the contender suggested samus would use. And yes, the Chief would have enough traps (and by traps, I mean setting a mine or watching the area closely with a sniper/beam rifle) as the "useful" weapons are sparse on this map.

Re: Tactics:

No, this proves that his battle experience is incredible. And as a matter of fact, battling for decades has helped the Chief. There is a reason the convenent refers to him as "The demon"; there is a reason he has managed to take down "Halo" by himself. And not being able to wipe out a whole horde of aliens? Clearly, my opponent hasn't played enough of the games as Master Chief regularly faces hordes of the covenent as well as the flood BY HIMSEL. In all 3 games (though not as much in part 3), you constantly go solo against hordes of aliens.

RE: "Likely smarter"

The contender agrees that the Chief is likely smarter, but responds in saying that the Chief isn't definitely smarter. Well, being that we're talking about two video game characters from two different universes, definitive evidence is next to impossible. But this is no problem as the contender has agreed that Chief is more likely smarter anyway, so this point goes to me.

RE: "Cortana cannot help"

Cortana is considered an extension of the chief, no less than the on board computer devices are considered an extension of Samus. Fair is fair. And like i suggested previously, Cortana could hack into Samus and disable her armor.

BOTTOMLINE: The main argument here is that Chief knows the level like the back of his hand and has battle experience which is more credible than Samus. And as mentioned previously, the Chief could disable Samus' upgrades with Cortana's help or through hitting her with a tremendous amount of force (see where I discuss this in detail). When deciding who'd more likely win in a fight with the conditions I've set, it is clearly Master Chief.

Thus, ends my side of the debate. Thanks to all for your time.
VenomousNinja

Con

This one argument will destroy most of your arguments: Chief, and Samus, are player-controlled. Thus, anything you say about chief being able to snipe well, anything you say about chief knowing the course, and anything you say about chief being able to react, are all baseless.

Now, consider this: Samus could easily pilot any one of Chief's vehicle, due to the fact that many Halo players also play Metroid. I am one, and I believe you are one also.

Re: Likely smarter.

No, I was pointing out a flaw in your wording. You completely missed the point.

Re: A.I.
Actually, in this battle, the AI would all be programmed Halo style, thus, if any enemies happen to wander onto the battlefield (it could happen), their AI would be on par with any halo enemies, and, also, see my point about Metroid players also playing Halo.

I give you the Cortana argument.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by khaosNRG 2 years ago
khaosNRG
Though I agree that, with the current debate, Zero seems to be superior in arguing (I only read through the first two rounds, so I'm not sure about the rest), I feel that samus would definitely win.

First of all, just from playstyle basis alone - in metroid prime games, you can employ strafing, where you lock on to an enemy an dash sideways in circles around them. Master Chief can't lock on to any enemies, and can't counter-strafe: thus, he would have to turn in rapid circles to even think of damaging her. Because this is the case, she would deal many more hits to him than he could to her in a given increment of time. The sniping point is unfair, I think, because for the challenge to be on fair grounds they would enter the arena at the same time and one would not have the time to set up a sniping location to defeat the other.

Even if master chief does set up a sniping location, however, Metroid Prime 3 Samus can become literally invulnerable to non-phazon attacks at will with phazon injection and enter hypermode. All of his weapons and his superstrength become utterly useless after she enters hypermode: After she receives an attack and determines where he's firing from, she can blow him apart with phazon-enhanced attacks that would either kill him outright or lead to his death by phazon poisoning.

Additionally, with speed boost, she can run at the speed of sound, and with power bombs can basically detonate miniature nukes at will. Basically, samus's technology and capabilities are far more powerful than MC's.
Posted by Dark_D3s7r0y3r 6 years ago
Dark_D3s7r0y3r
Sorry for a THIRD post, but there's sadly no edit option. What I meant by remove is deactivate. Where you got the "requires her ship to remove" idea, I have no clue. If you've played completely through Metroid Prime 3 Corruption or just Metroid 3 (Super Metroid) you'd know she can deactivate parts of her suit as well as reactivate them on her own. Her suit is more of a database than that of an actual suit because it can store different abilities and the entire suit itself in a memory card. The reason you can't remove her arm cannon in-game is because it would be quite silly running around a hostile world without a weapon. And Samus' scan visor does have a database, but it can analyze new things as well. I really wouldn't know how the Galactic Federation could have stored information on a secret Omega Pirate specimen in the bowels of a mine they knew nothing about. Honestly, this whole argument has its facts a little bent. Still, I hope my posts are able to help you in future arguments. That is all I have to say for now.
Posted by Dark_D3s7r0y3r 6 years ago
Dark_D3s7r0y3r
Sorry, I posted twice, but I was running out of room for my first one. If Cheif throws an Energy Drain at her, she can Morph and roll away easily. If Cheif's close enough to throw it directly ON her, he'll most likely have his sheilds drained too. Oh, and Samus CAN remove her arm cannon if necissary.
I'm a huge fan of both Halo and Metroid, so don't think I'm arguing this because I like Metroid better. I'm simply saying that Samus would win, for several obvious reasons. Samus is smart enough to assess threats and detect their location, so Cheif can't really take her by surprise, but I could say the exact same about Cheif. This argument isn't judged on sneak attacks, smarts, and throwable energy drains, it's about available resources and suit advancement.
Posted by Dark_D3s7r0y3r 6 years ago
Dark_D3s7r0y3r
I honestly think Samus would win for many different reasons:
1.) Versatility.
Samus' suit has an arm cannon with many different weapon modes built into it. She can switch from a 3000 degree celsius beam of Plasma to a -300 degree ice beam with a simple push of a button. Her suit also has several different versions, including a version that bends gravity a bit, which would render the Gravity Hammer useless if active. Not to mention her Morph Ball...
Master Chief's suit provides little more than protection and a HUD, and its shielding would fail on the first charged shot from Samus' Plasma beam, which takes about a second to charge.
2.) Shielding.
At full power, Samus' shielding can withstand a volley of rockets, whilst Master Chief's shielding can barely withstand a glancing blow from one.
3.) Firepower.
Ice to slow movement, electricity to scramble electronics, power to take remaining shielding down, and plasma to incinerate what's left vs. a couple of explosives and a sniper rifle that DEFINATELY can't pierce Samus' shielding. (Note that the weapons I gave to the Chief are weapons he'd be most likely to have at the moment)
Now for reasons Chief might win.
1.) Extreme strength.
At close range, Chief can unleash a volley of punches that would utterly destroy her Power Suit (but not her pistol which also has a whip)
2.) Vehicles.
If a vehicle is nearby, Samus would likely not know/be unable to use it, as most vehicles are either Covenant or require two hands while Chief would just jump in. However, Chief would have to act extremely quickly as Samus' Wave Beam can electronically disable basically any vehicle Chief has access to.
3.) Cortana.
Cortana is the smartest A.I. there is, and can likely hack into/temporarily disable Samus' suit. However, Samus' scan visor has similar abilities, so this is mostly negated.
Verdict: Samus
Posted by Zero 8 years ago
Zero
"and only Samus has any control over it other than through DIRECT PHYSICAL INTERVENTION "

No limits fallacy. In addition, you have provided us with no reason to why Cortana would not be able to hack into a system with Organic some Features nor have you provided evidence to show that ONLY Samus has control over it. Having played the games as well as having seen Samus' suit used against her in addition to see how easy it is for her to lose all of her upgrades, its doubtful that her system is as impenatrable as you dictate.

"Also, she would have full energy reserves, while 117 only has a Short-lived shield."

It doesn't matter how much energy she has. Chief can negate all of her energy at once with use of that energy disrupting device (I forgot the name, but you throw it and it causes over players energy reserves to be negated entirely).

"Finally, Samus could just scan any object she comes across, giving her complete knowledge of whatever she scanned."

Wrong. She only has about as much knowledge as has been recorded in her galaxy's data banks. Essentially, her scanning device is the equivalent to one coming across a word which they do not understand and then deciding to look to a dictionary. However, we know for fact that Samus and Master Chief don't live in the same universe, thus, her scanning device wouldn't work on anything from the Chief's universe.
Posted by TheGameDefender 8 years ago
TheGameDefender
Cortana would NOT be able to hack Samus's suit. It was designed by the Chozo, has organic features, and only Samus has any control over it other than through DIRECT PHYSICAL INTERVENTION (such as surgical procedures). Samus was infused with Chozo blood. Also, she would have full energy reserves, while 117 only has a Short-lived shield. Finally, Samus could just scan any object she comes across, giving her complete knowledge of whatever she scanned. I decide that the victor would be Samus.
Posted by VenomousNinja 8 years ago
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Heh-he, cool.
On a side note: I'm losing.
Posted by Zero 8 years ago
Zero
"So sorry I couldn't be a good opponent."

As long as you don't forfeit or do anything else to impede the debate, you're a good opponent in my book.
Posted by VenomousNinja 8 years ago
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Actually, I just offered the draw because I found better things to do than debate, and I found I was losing all enthusiasm to debate this topic.

So sorry I couldn't be a good opponent.
Posted by Zero 8 years ago
Zero
Does anyone mind if I respond to Venommousninja's R3 arguments? If so, I ask you not to vote off of anything I say. I just feel like responding because I'm bored.

As for the deal, I didn't accept it because my arguments in no way relate to the "my dad can beat your dad" debates. I explained the reasoning behind each of my claims in detail and even went towards citing evidence when necessary.

When taking the example you cite in that deal into account, I don't really understand how I was going in a circle. You said Samus could use the Chief's weapons. I pointed out that she doesn't have two hands (as all the powerful weapons require two hands to use). I pointed out that she would have to get rid of her suit and that she cannot merely remove bits and pieces as if normal clothing. As shown in the video I cite, she can only remove her helmet. The rest, she requires her spaceship's machine to do. At the very least, taking it off manually (assuming she can) would be a lengthy process, hence why she uses the machine. In a fight, it would not be wise to attempt to remove it.
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