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Veridas
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Master Chief would defeat Predator

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Started: 4/9/2010 Category: Entertainment
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Pathos

Pro

I assert that the Master Chief aka John 117 from the Halo Universe would easily defeat any Predator from any Predator movie or comic.
Novels, comics, any story cannon is allowed.
Veridas

Con

You've insulted Predators?

oh it is ON! Nerd-mode engage, powering up primary virginity drives.

Aside from the fact that, unlike the Covenant, the Predator species isn't pants-on-head retarded, you really have to consider how different Predators are versus MC.

For one thing, Predators rely primarily on stealth, they view the use of any weapon as follows: If your oppnent is using weaponry, use weaponry of the same time, if your opponent is using no weaponry then do not use weaponry.

In other words, if MC so much as sneezes in the direction of a gun then he's going to have shoulder mounted cannons to worry about.

and MC isn't so tough when he doesn't have a gun.

His skill with that energy sword thing or any other close combat weapon is at best limited. and whereas MC's helmet restricts his view quite a bit, a Predator's mask allows it to see thermal imaging, ultraviolet imaging and other spectrums. Combine this with their stealth technology and a Predator could see MC from a mile away, and then ride shotgun with him in a Warthog without him even realising.

Assuming that MC doesn't have access to Covenant weaponry (which he wouldn't do because that's not standard equipment) then the best weapon he can hope to use is probably the rocket launcher. In which case he has to hit an inhumanly agile invisible alien that's firing laz0rs at him. He could try and use the flamethrower to blind the Predator's thermal vision, but there's no way for him to know the Predators are using thermal vision, nor anything to stop the Predators just switching to another spectrum.

This is all ignoring the fact that even if, by some miracle, MC happens to come across a particularly stupid Predator. Even if he somehow manages to actually cripple the poor thing, MC's armour can't stand up to more than a few dozen bullets. How precisely would it stand up to a nuclear explosion?
Debate Round No. 1
Pathos

Pro

Thanks Con for taking this debate. Now that we have the Internet and wonderful Japanese Fembots we don't need women anymore. So stay a virgin and stay a nerd.
Definitions: P1- Predator the Movie, P2 –Predator 2, AVP Alien v: Predator, AVP2 Alien v: Predator 2 Requiem.

Master Chief
SPARTAN-II project:
The candidates for the Spartan program were first selected by a gene candidate pool. Within this gene pool, they had to posses superior physical and mental attributes. In other words the children picked for the Spartan –II project were the humans with the highest genetic potential in the entire galaxy. John-117 or MC is one of the last surviving SPARTANS. He is the best of the very best the human race has to offer. In both size and strength he is comparable to any Predator. He went through an augmentation procedure to increase his size and strength.
1.Carbide Ceramic Ossification –bones are virtually unbreakable.
2.Muscular Enhancement Injections
3.Catalytic Thyroid Implant-increase skeletal and muscle tissues
4.Occipital Capillary Reversal-produces peek eyesight and night vision
5.Superconducting Fabrication of Neural Dendrites- 300% increase in reflexes, marked increase in intelligence and memory.
6.MC has a max running speed of 65.205 MPH or 105 KPH.
7.Reaction time of estimated twenty milliseconds.
8.Increased strength 3 times that of human.
Armor and Components: MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor
The suit is in itself hardened against EMP and radiation and is 1000 pounds.
1.Helmet: Composed of Titanium, equipped with thermal and motion sensors, so the Predator would not be invisible to MC. He would see him thermally and would be instantly alerted to his presence.
2.Titanium Alloy Outer Shell: Resilient Alloy capable of taking shots from plasma weapons.
3.Titanium Nanocomposite Bodysuit .
4.Shields-the Mark V and Mark VI suits worn by MC had reversed engineered shielding technology from the Covenant.
5.Force-multiplying Circuits –this multiplied the already base strength and speed of the SPARTANS.
6.Reactive Circuits-Amplified the wearer's reaction time through Spartan Neural Interface.
Weapons:
1.Battle Rifle /BR55HB SR: 9.5 x40mm M634 high powered semi Armor Piercing round that can easily take down an unshielded target from medium range.
2.Sniper Rifle / SRS99D-S2: AMB 14.5mm x 114 mm Armor Piercing round. At 600 yards this round would go through 13 feet of flesh and bone. Long range covered.
3.M6D Pistol : M225 Semi Armor Piercing, High explosive round. The round is filled with an explosive compound and a delayed-detonation impact fuse. Within 122.7 meters the MC can hit the Predator with a round from this weapon it will detonate immediately causing massive tissue damage and system shock.

Now there are a whole host of other human weapons that I have ignored. I am only using the listed as my initial points to build the Case for MC.
Argument:
In 1987 Alan "Dutch" Schaeffer defeated a Predator, and in 1997 Lieutenant Michael Harrigan defeated a Predator. Dutch used rudimentary traps while covered in mud to mask his heat signature and Harrigan shot the Predator immobilized him, removed his masked, he then killed him with his own weapon (smart disc). I will add the fact that Dutch survives the nuclear blast by out running it. In AVP we see two of the three Predators were killed by Aliens.
Master Chief weighs a thousand pounds with strength equivalent if not greater than that of the Predator. If the Predator is consistently beaten (P1 and P2) by humans ( I suspect this trend will continue in the next Predator movie as well), how then could he beat a human that is genetically superior to almost every other human in history, with the augments listed above, plus cybernetic enhancing , and an armor suit?
The Predator would not be invisible to MC, he too can see in the infrared and his suit is equipped with motion sensors thus nullifying all of the Predator's implied stealth-like talents. If basic weapons and a 1997 fire arm can temporarily immobilize the Predator, imagine what a weapon from the above listed arsenal would do to it. MC could easily spot the Predator. Then with enhanced reflexive abilities and a motion sensor, MC could immobilize the predator from short, medium, and long range distance with any of the above listed weapons. No rocket launcher needed. The weapons listed above carve through energy shield after a few shots, they would decimate the unshielded flesh opponent like the Predator.
If it came down to hand to hand combat, I don't see how the Predator would win. The predator is strong yes, but Lt. Harrigan beat him with his own weapon in hand to hand combat, Arnold came close as well. As I stated before, if those two beat him hand to hand, what would an augmented -genetically superior –cybernetic enhanced-super soldier trained in hand to hand combat since childhood do?
My opponent says that the Master Chief has a restricted view. It's not peripheral, its not in the infrared spectrum, and he has night vision without his helmet. This claim is simply false. In actuality MC armor has an energy shield encompassing it, able to take hits from plasma. Once the shield is diminished the armor itself can take more hits from plasma. The dozen or so bullets my opponent refers to would only be effective after the shield is down.
In the case of the Predator cowardly attempting self detonating himself, MC's suit would first protect him massive amounts of radiation and most likely the blast. Not to mention the glaringly obivious. He could simply outrun the blast like Dutch did in P1. With MC clocking in a 105 kph, I doubt this would be hard to do.
Veridas

Con

Ell-osde' pauk!

First your remarks as to the biological makeup of Johnny boy. Aside from being mildly racist, your basic argument seems to be that he is the absolute best that humanity has to offer, right? hoo boy.

The Predators (Actually they're called Yautja, or rather that is their name for themselves) seen in Predator 1 and 2 were novices. Young Yautja who have not yet earned the right to carry full arsenals of weaponry, not yet earned any trophies, they are referred to as unblooded. They have literally never hunted before, never experienced combat, never used any of their limited arsenals in real-time combat.

Arnie only managed to beat the Yautja more or less by accident. Harrigan killed the Yautja, as you said, by using it's own weapon against it. Both of them had the advantage of experience, plus they both had intimate knowledge of the areas in which the fighting took place, plus they both did so only after the Yautja had been hunting for several days, a period in which it would have become tired, weakened and wounded.

However you're missing the key point, Harrigan killed it, at best, using dishonourable techniques. Dutch killed it in the fairest fight of the two, and he was a soldier, one of the best, he was both in command and the only one capable out of his entire unit, a unit that was able to out-guerrilla normal guerrillas, in the exact same environment they work with all the time.

The Yautja whooped the lot of them, save for Dutch, not only on their home turf but in their own back garden.

and this was an Unblooded Yautja. A rookie. A pawn. Two of these, just two, cut swathes through geurilla soldiers, gangs, and New York's finest.

The Yautja in Aliens Vs Predator were Young Blood, just one up from Unblooded. They were on their first hunt as proven by the fact that they had to "earn" their plasma casters, by finding them inside the temple. The Plasma caster is a Yautja's ranged weapon of choice as it allows for total ranged accuracy regardless of wounds or fatigue and it allows the Yautja to remain armed with another weapon such as the combistaff while shooting, meaning that the Yautja can hold it's own against several opponents (or, as the opening to AVP showed, a few million) for periods of time usually impossible.

in AVP2: Requiem, we see a Yautja that is at least a Warrior or Honoured rank, he could be Clan leader or Arbitrator or even Huntsmaster. This is a true experienced Yautja, who has been on many hunts and has slain many enemies including the Xenomorph "ultimate prey" Note that this Yautja doesn't go down until he faces a creature that is a mixture between his own breed and one of these Xenomorphs, in other words, he faces down a creature with all his strengths, plus the strengths of the ultimate prey, plus other Xenomorphs, plus superior numbers, and he's surrounded by us. Toys, feeble creatures that unblooded hunt. AND HE ONLY LOSES BECAUSE WE NUKE HIM.

The ultimate point is that the best of the best of humanity ultimately pales in comparison to any truly experienced Yautja.

Also, MC wouldn't be able to see them with thermal vision, they're cold blooded. They mainly hunt in hot, humid environments, the Yautja we see in AVP are wearing "heat netting" which keeps their body warm in the cold of the Antarctic, if you recall the origin of the temple, it was in what appeared to be a hot region.

As for your reference to MC's running speed, that would be unhindered. MC seems to move pre-tty slowly once he actually puts his armour on, and if you examine his helmet (plus, actually, play the game) you can see that his vision isn't vertically peripheral. The "cap" protrusion at the front of his helmet would make it hard to see anything more than a few feet above him, which is going to be a major disadvantage against a creature that spends most of it's time in high places.

As for the so-called resilience of MC's armour...if it's that good, why does he die so easily?

As for the energy shield, I'm sure the shield is designed with human technology with anti-Covenant usage in mind, the Covenant being, as earlier stated, pants-on-head retarded. If the Predator can't overpower the shield, it will certainly be able to outsmart the person using it.

Incidentally, Yautja have pretty much everything enhanced too, and their armour, like MC's, increases their physical attributes as well. It could possibly be said that MC and a single Blooded Yautja are an even match. Except there's an entire species of Bloodeds, and that's not even counting the Elders who are even stronger, faster, and more accomplished than the Blooded.

As for a "cowardly attempt at self-detonation", my friend the Yautja live and die by the code of honour, failure without dying is the biggest dishonour there is, a Yautja can never quit a hunt without claiming it's prey and should always hunt to the death if it cannot claim it's prey's life and, naturally, should do everything it can to ensure that if it dies, it claims it's prey too. Look up the term "Kamikaze" because we aren't exactly beyond such acts ourselves, y'know.

Your entire argument rests on MC automatically knowing everything about the Yautja, rests on him fighting an unblooded with no real experience, rests on the him being able to outrun a nuclear explosion, while wearing, how much was it? Oh yes, a thousand pounds worth of metal armour. That's 454 Kilograms. Plus weapons. Plus ammunition. Dutch only barely managed it, and he was half naked. Three hundred city blocks in what? 20 seconds?

Oh yeah, female Yautja? Bigger, stronger, faster. Most of the elites are females who are younger and less experienced than the male elites and GOD HELP HIM if it's time of the month.

Sources:
MC's mug: http://www.mediabistro.com...
Yautja physiology, society, etc: http://www.jokerdesigns.com...
Yautja weaponry and equipment: http://www.jokerdesigns.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Pathos

Pro

The Spartan II project involved children who were genetically superior in both physically and mentally. Not genetic preferences based on the amounts of melanin or fatty tissue around their eyes. I reject that the mythos of Master Chief and Halo centers around his race at all.

I reject the claim that the Yautja in the movie Predator 2 was a complete novice with no trophies. To this I draw attention to the scene in Predator 2 where this Yautja is preparing human skulls to mount on his wall of trophies. In this scene there the skull of an alien, implying that this Yautja had been on other hunts.

After laying out the specs of armor and weaponry for the Master Chief we have no reason to believe that an engage between him and the Predator would instantly be over. Master Chief has served in over 200 missions against the Covenant. He has served in the Harvest Campaign and the Battle of Jericho. Between these two battles himself and a handful of other Spartans killed thousands of Grunts. The argument that implies MC has a lack of experience dealing with malicious well trained extraterrestrial life. He is a space marine with the adaptability and intelligence being one of his core credentials. Con states that Dutch was one of the best which is why he was able to the novice Predator. To imply that MC could not adapt and successfully confront any Yautja of any rank and ignore MC's battle record, arsenal, and experience is simply false and unfounded.

Con suggest that Harrigan killed the Yautja using dishonorable techniques. Again, I draw attention to one of the last key scenes in Predator 2. The clan and presumably leader of the clan rewarded Harrigan with an antique flint rifle as a sign of respect. Obviously Con is wrong here. But most importantly what does an honorable confrontation have anything to do with MC defeating the Predator. MC would be permitted to use whatever means necessary to defeat him.

MC wouldn't be able to see a Yautja because they are cold blooded...Really? Then how do the Yautja see one another if the see primarily on a infrared spectrum. A Cold blooded animal or creature is one that lacks the internal mechanism to regulate their own body temperature. This doesn't make them invisible on an infrared spectrum. And it doesn't make them invisible from motion detector. And if they are wearing a heat net, Con's argument just falls all to pieces.

Con states the battle prowess of a veteran or Blooded Yautja, I find this a ridiculous claim. The Yautja give themselves every conceivable advantage possible. Fighting a the equivalency of a newborn xenomorph is hardly a credential. The Predator always ensures he has the upper hand with invisibility armor and more advanced weaponry. MC per the novels and video games is at technological deficit and he manages to defeat hordes of his enemy.

Con references MC's lack of peripheral vision to the video game. And from the cap reference I assume that he is talking about the first game Halo Combat Evolved. It later games and novelizing the type of helmet that can be worn does not include a cap. The perceive lack of vision granted and running granted to Con would primarily due to first software restrictions at the time and because of the software developers intended on making a Sci Fi shooter that presented the player with challenges. He ignores the novelizing of MC and his mounting body count. It be ridiculous for the strongest military warrior created by the human race to lack peripheral vision. Then Con references the ease in which MC dies. Just because Con is not good at Halo the video game and dies frequently whether online or during the single player campaign, does not mean MC himself is a faulted character. If I played the latest installment of AVP on the PS3 or XB360 and died all the time could I too derive conclusions about the Predator combative abilities.

People who blow themselves up to kill their enemies are called terrorist. And I agree we have an abundance of them. Most of all modern day historians consider the Kamikaze ridiculously evil and unstable military technique. The whole feudal Japanese concept of honorable suicide is crap and mimics a level of group insanity. And this does not serve as a point to prove the MC would lose a battle against the Predator.

MC would defeat any Predator of any gender with almost any weaponry not only because of his physical augmentation, armor, and arsenal, but because he is disciplined, adapting, intelligent, and has an uncanny will to survive. The external features and weaponry only add to probability of his survival. Over 200 battles, thousands of Elite warriors, grunts, Brutes, and Brute Chieftains included. All in which he was out gunned and out manned. MC creates the opportunity to survive, and is able to win a fight from disadvantage. The Predator fails almost every time once they lose their weaponry add or cloaking devices become disabled as we have seen in previous movies, and undoubtly will see in the latest upcoming movie.

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http://www.needcoffee.com...
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http://www.wisegeek.com...
Veridas

Con

Genetic supremacy of any kind is discriminatory. I'm pretty sure there's some film with Christian Bale that centers around that.

My opponent is quick to use his eyes, not his head, Master Chief has never needed to adapt to anything, he was designed specifically to fight the Covenant, he has fought nothing but the Covenant, and my opponent has overlooked the obvious, the ship upon which the Yautja mounted his trophies in Predator 2 was not his own ship. Those trophies were not his, no Yautja with such trophies would care for human skulls, the ship likely belongs to the entire clan who took their Unblooded on his first hunt, those trophies belonged to the clan, not the Yautja.

Pro neatly avoids making an argument against the idea of Harrigan's dishonourable tactics, and has proven his inability even to study the films, it's a pistol, not a rifle, and it isn't a sign of respect, it's a trophy. They know that Harrigan has hunted their Unblooded Yautja for at least several days, it's entirely possible that other Yautja were watching their Unblooded's hunt to check on his progress, Harrigan completed his hunt, killed his prey, but the Yautja would never allow him to take a memento from his kill as they do, the pistol was a swap, a trade, "leave our kind untouched, and receive this trophy instead" It's clear that my opponent is entirely incapable of thinking with Yautja logic, and is therefore doomed.

The Yautja see each other with another spectrum, as my opponent stated, and cold blooded animals are often the same temperature as their surroundings, so if a Predator took off or de-activated it's heat-mesh, it would become invisible to any heat-related vision.

Pro apparently hasn't paid much attention to the way Yautja do things. They use their cloaking only to stalk and observe targets, never to fight them, and the Xenomorph that they send their children, their kids, their equivalent of teenagers, to fight, they consider them the ultimate prey, they are fast, agile, resilient, bleed acid and, oh yes, they have no obvious weakness.

Pro's attempt to downplay the role of the Xenomorph or the capability of the Yautja is laughable, and then Pro goes on to talk about how MC beats the Covenant some more despite having lesser technology, in which I will refer to my previous and as yet unchallenged statement that the Covenant are a species of incompetent idiots.

Pro seems keen to self-contradict when talking about MC's fancy hat. Claiming it ridiculous that the strongest warrior would lack vertically peripheral vision...shortly after admitting that that's precisely what "they" did to him during his first operations.

Pro is ignoring the honour value of the mutual suicide, once again proving he is incapable of thinking on Yautja's terms, which dooms him in this debate.

oh, and this remark is funny "MC would defeat any Predator of any gender with almost any weaponry not only because of his physical augmentation, armor, and arsenal, but because he is disciplined, adapting, intelligent, and has an uncanny will to survive. The external features and weaponry only add to probability of his survival." because you can swap MC with Predator and "his" with "theirs" and have a more accurate statement, my opponent does not seem to realise that MC is a one-off, the Yautja are an entire species dedicated to fighting and scouting and tracking and killing the most worthy foes the universe has to offer. These are a species that will, if a Xenomorph Queen has overrun a planet with her spawn, send hunters down to take on a planet's worth of Xenomorphs and they will often succeed.

The Yautja could give themselves so many more advantages than my opponent states, they are quick to discard damaged armour, quick to turn off their cloak when facing uncamouflaged enemies or when all-out combat begins, the more honoured Yautja may even forego the use of ranged weapons entirely no matter what kind of weapon their opponent uses, and Yautja will often even forego the use of most of their close combat weapons if they feel they have too big an advantage with them, fighting only with their wristblades or barehanded. If there is a coward in the midst then it's MC, he's the one that allows ordinary fighting men to soak up the bullets while he hogs the glory, he's the one that's so caught up in his own heroism that he doesn't seem to care that he is causing the deaths of the people he was created to save.

In addition to all this, my opponent is quick to name big strong enemies that MC has killed...what about big, strong, fast, agile, armoured, well-equipped and invisible enemies? Oh that's right, there aren't any that fit that description, MC's battle experience is worth precisely squat.

MC is at best an overly mobile tank that sometimes drives other tanks, you set it down and you point it in the direction of the enemy and then you get out of it's way. Tactically he's mostly incompetent, emotionally he's dead, and he is incapable of even rudimentary camouflage, his prowess in close combat is additionally minimal considering that he seems capable of just about swinging close quarter weapons and that's that. A Yautja, a smart Yautja at least, would stalk him for so long from afar that they'd have intimate knowledge of what he is as a fighter, he would have no prior knowledge of them, they would have the element of surprise, numbers and technological advancement.

MC simply could not win. Not without heavy support and plenty of meat-shields.
Debate Round No. 3
Pathos

Pro

In regards to Hariigan's dishonorable tatics, I simply deem them as irrelevant in a deciding factor of whether or not MC would defeat the Predator or not. Furthermore What Con is saying about the Yautja is simply speculation.

There is not a cold blooded animal on the planet that cannot be seen in infrared. Furthermore the heat netting would only enable MC to see the Predator to a greater extent.

The novelization of Halo depicts the Covenant to be a vastly superior technological race than the Space Marines. The Glass planets.

The Elites are big fast strong angile creatures MC faces.
Veridas

Con

Pro has, to his credit, already sent me a message apologising for this post. In the spirit of fair play I'm gonna disregard that argument entirely and let him elaborate on the points made and any others he has in the final round. Round 4 does not exist. Round 4 has never existed. We have always been at war with east Asia, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Veridas 5 years ago
Veridas
Yet Master Chief is still my Yautja's bitch.

Suck it Johnny 117!
Posted by OberHerr 5 years ago
OberHerr
Ah, my young days as a nerd.

*I was Insider*
Posted by Veridas 6 years ago
Veridas
Books?

Halo fans can read?

Since when?
Posted by Firejack 6 years ago
Firejack
Okay, first of all, you say that the MC was made to fight covenant and has only fought covenant. You obviously disregard MC when he was younger and infiltrated an insurrectionist base, among other missions. If you actually READ the books, you would see that when they were KIDS they fought a group of well-trained soldiers, and WON. The spartans were created to defeat the insurrection, not the covenant. You ALSO say that the predators never use stealth to kill prey, yet in AvP, a predator stabs a human from behind with his claw while stealthed.
Posted by JackSpades64 7 years ago
JackSpades64
I would argue that a predator to win. While yes, Master Chief has the potential to win against some of the predators, with how MANY predators there are, there has to be a supreme one who you do not want to see. Master Chief, who is designed to fight the covenant, would have a harder time to defeat a predator and not know their strengths and weaknesses. If you count Master Chief on the game, you have to remember that Master Chief is played by a large number of people who suck at Halo. Plus, if you add the skulls, the difficulty massively exceeds legendary mode. I can say that I am a fan of both Halo and Predator. During the debate, my opinion swayed to both sides multiple times, but I had to hand it to the Predators, unless we set the difficulty anywhere between Very Easy and Easy, then it goes to Master Chief. (little LOL)
Posted by Qetzlcoatl 7 years ago
Qetzlcoatl
I believe that Master Chief would win, simply for the fact that, yeah, he did go against a friggin armada throughout the Halo games (not reading the novels). Halo 2, the Covenant had cloaking and assassinated similar, but not quite the same, as the Predator. Master Chief did go against them and won. And like Con says, the Predator has an honor code, so I would assume that they wouldn't bum rush MC, maybe go one at a time until they deem him worthy of facing more, which then MC would have enough knowledge of fighting the Predators.
Posted by tBoonePickens 7 years ago
tBoonePickens
Pro is wrong about the infrared & motion detection. When something is cold blooded it takes the temperature of its surroundings. As such, it would become indistinguishable from its surrounding or invisible. Also, a motion sensor should ignore background motion otherwise, it would go off when the wind blows, trees or leaves move, etc.
Posted by Pwnu059 7 years ago
Pwnu059
wow..... no not u pathos Predators rock.. i had a blond moment, forgive me
Posted by Pwnu059 7 years ago
Pwnu059
Pathos Predators rock man! ima vote for you to win
Posted by Pathos 7 years ago
Pathos
Aw sh!t that was the last round.
Oh well.
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