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FanboyMctroll
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The Contender
Emilrose
Con (against)

Masterful should be banned from this site

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Started: 7/19/2017 Category: People
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Debating Period
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FanboyMctroll

Pro

Masterful should be banned from this site for being contently anti-Semitic,, racist, disrespectful to handicap people, ignorant of children and just down right cruel to anyone who is not white. With disrespectful post such as "Jews should be made into soap" or "Retarded people should work in coal mines" this type of behavior warrants permanent banning from this site.

This type of behavior should not be tolerated and hateful speeches should be removed and their author banished. Give me any reason why Masterful should be allowed to remain here to post vile comments on debates??
Emilrose

Con

Opening Argument

Firstly, it's important to note that as a debate site, certain comments (that we all may view with varying degrees of acceptability) are bound to be made; this doesn't necessarily mean that on the basis of these comments alone, that the person saying them should be banned.

In fact, it's to be expected that certain debates will be controversial or contentious to *some* people; this is absolutely normal for a debating website, and no topic should really be off-limits if we are to ensure that that this site remains active and open to all types of people. It's also standard for users to frequently get into heated arguments either in the debate comment section or forums. Another thing, is that 'trolling' on this site is eminently common, and indeed most of the time fairly harmless.

From what I have seen, the user Masterful has initiated and participated in what could be considered some controversial debates, but so have I: [1.] http://www.debate.org...

And other users on this site:

[2.] http://www.debate.org...

[3.] http://www.debate.org...

[4.] http://www.debate.org...

[5.] http://www.debate.org...

[6.] http://www.debate.org...

[7.] http://www.debate.org...

[8.] http://www.debate.org...

If Masterful was to be banned for trolling alone, then it would naturally make sense to ban other users who do--if not, it would simply be unfair. And if we did, then activity levels would decrease and people would likely be afraid to discuss topics that they otherwise would not elsewhere.

What this site provides is a place to be debate whatever you wish with anonymity; it is an outlet in which to express your thoughts, or simply experiment with different debate topics--ones that you may not even personally agree with, but just want to explore a little.

So, given this, there is no legitimate reason for Masterful to be banned--presuming that Pro is referring to a permanent ban.

'This is slavery, not to speak one's thought.'-Euripides
Debate Round No. 1
FanboyMctroll

Pro

I do agree that some topics are controversial on here and everyone has their different opinion, and I respect that, but Masterful's debates are down right racist, bigoted and outrages to the point where a normal debate is out of the question. A debate about children wearing butt plugs is not a debate but just a ridicules notion created by Masterful to get a rise out of everyone. The topics that Masterful discusses are not even remotely debatable, such as Lets turn all Jews into soap, or ugly people should be killed. These topics are so outlandish that they don't even warrant a reply.

But my biggest problem is with the racist posts, racism is considered hate speech and I do not encourage it or should DDO on their site. For this main reason I suggest Masterful be banished from DDO
Emilrose

Con

Rebuttals:

Pro acknowledges that controversy does indeed exist on this site (which, as I said, is an inevitability given that its purpose is for debating.) But he then states that this controversy should essentially be restricted to only certain topics, and not applied to ones that he personally considers non-debatable. There is nothing within the Terms of Use outlining that anyone who participates in the debates that Pro has listed (turning Jews into soap, etc.) should be banned. Moreover, Pro is yet to provide evidence that these debates even do exist.

That other users actually do debate with Masterful on this site, shows that his topics are actually debatable (is there even such a thing as a non-debatable topic?) What Pro doesn't quite seem to grasp is that virtually any subject can be debatable providing that there's people who willing to debate it; just because you do not personally agree or consider the topic to be inappropriate, it doesn't mean that the person shouldn't reserve their right to debate it. Pro himself is not being impacted in any manner from Masterful's debates, therefore there shouldn't really be an issue.

As I stated in round one, there's a number of members that debate controversial topics but still have not been banned and remain regular users of the site--take the rape debates that I listed, for example, is Pro suggesting that users like Wylted and Envisage also be banned for instigating controversial debates? Debates that have added to the site and positively contributed to activity levels, user feedback, etc.

Pro finally asserts that Masterful has made racist posts--but this in itself shouldn't make him subject to a ban, and once again Pro has not provided any evidence of these posts.

Debate Round No. 2
FanboyMctroll

Pro

I do agree that any subject is debatable but debating racist or hateful speech debates should not be tolerated on this site. And that is all that Masterful debates, he does it to get a rise out of people, and sure it might drive the Internet traffic up but is this what we want?

Do we want to encourage racism or rape if you wear a condom? Are these the type of criminal offence, racist, hateful speech we want to see on here. Because if we encourage this type of speech on here then this might as well be called THE AYRIAN NATION DEBATE site. It does not look good for this site allowing this type of hate speech/debate on here and I'm sure if the advertisers on here got hold of the fact that they are associated on a site where trolling and racist speech is permitted then we might just see this site closed permanently.

Is this the type of garbage debates we want to see on here, because I personally think it belongs in the trailer park with the trailer trash.

http://www.debate.org...
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This type of hate debates should not be allowed on this site.

Also if you are agreeing with Masterful, then I guess you don't have a problem with rape as punishment

http://www.debate.org...

Masterful is the ultimate troll on this site and he does it for sheer amusement of himself but his vile posts should not be encouraged and he should not be allowed to post his garbage debates on this site. For this reason and my inclusion of some of his disrespectful, racist, hating, debates I vote to have Masterful banned from this site.

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Debate Round No. 3
24 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 9 months ago
FanboyMctroll
I started this debate back in August. The brotherhood I think was established in the spring already
Posted by roadrider13 9 months ago
roadrider13
you copyed me but i dont mind
Posted by Masterful 11 months ago
Masterful
I understand if you're scared to debate me
Posted by FanboyMctroll 11 months ago
FanboyMctroll
You want to defend yourself in a debate? Too late you had your chance and you decided to let others debate it.

Case is closed
Posted by Masterful 11 months ago
Masterful
If you challenge me to this debate I will take you on. 3 rounds, fight me.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 11 months ago
FanboyMctroll
My opponent has forfeited this debate, therefore I win.

Masterful the tribal council has spoken, it's time for you to go.
Posted by Masterful 11 months ago
Masterful
Note that in the debate titled "rape should be a punishment for women, I'm actually con.
Posted by Masterful 12 months ago
Masterful
I've never made debates titled "turn Jews into soap, or ugly people should be killed." Don't allow McTroll to make unsupported claims.
Posted by NDECD1441 12 months ago
NDECD1441
Well, Aranger insulted Masterful so that gives an excuse to insult back.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 12 months ago
FanboyMctroll
I don't see a problem with it, I think it takes a pretty brave person to list all your disorders for others to see. I don't see an issue with it.
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