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kingkd
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Wylted
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May Controversy Tournament: A border fence between US-Mexico would benefit the United States

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kingkd
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/11/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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kingkd

Pro

Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Opening
Round 3: Refutations
Round 4: Conclusion

border:a line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries.

Drops are concessions

Thanks to Wylted.
Wylted

Con

Unfortunately my opponent has not been very fast at responding to my messages. I accept with the understanding that the resolution includes the process of building a border fence with Mexico as well, seeing as how these things do not just pop up by them selves.

I look forward to debating you KingKid, good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
kingkd

Pro

Introduction

In this debate I will affirm that the benefits of building a border fence would have a net benefit on the US.

Benefits of a Border Fence : Solving Multiple Problems

http://www.ninjacloak.com...
Problem: Drugs come from Mexico and harm American citizens. Over half of all cocaine, and large amounts of other drugs such as marijuana come to the US through the border between Mexico.
Solution: The border fence makes it much harder to come illegally in to the US from Mexico, making it almost impossible for cartels to drive through the border to supply drugs.

http://www.ninjacloak.com...
Problem: "Criminal cartels have seized de facto control of broad swathes of land in Mexico just across the U.S. border.""Cartel violence has escalated in recent years in retaliation to Mexican President Felipe Calderon's efforts to crack down on cartel criminal activity. In 2007, close to 3,000 people were murdered by cartels.[12] By 2008, the number had risen to more than 5,300 (the number is expected to rise in 2009).[13] The motivation behind this violence largely centers on the highly profitable illegal drug trade-largely fed by American demands for illegal narcotics.""The violence has begun to spill over into the United States. In January 2008, a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Luis Aguilar, was run over and killed by drug smugglers as he tried to arrest them in California.[16] In 2005, four Americans were kidnapped for ransom by a cartel in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, not too far from Laredo, Texas.[17] While they were later released, their kidnapping as well as other acts of violence led the U.S. State Department to issue a travel warning for American tourists in the Laredo area."

As this source states, violence from the cartels in Mexico is a large problem. It compromises the safety of American citizens.
http://www.nbcnews.com...
"he knows ranchers who have moved their families into nearby cities for their protection and have taken other safety measures.""The smuggling "clearly has intimidated U.S. citizen who don't believe they're safe on their own land in their own country," McCaffrey said."

The duty of the federal government is to protect American citizens and make them feel safe. The government also has an obligation to protect its country borders. This duty is not fulfilled when people are living in fear near the border.
http://www.ninjacloak.com...
http://www.alipac.us...
http://www.fairus.org...
http://www.infowars.com...
Problem: Illegal immigrants , according to ALIPAC, cost the US government 125 billion a year in healthcare, education, and loss of taxes. 12 billion is spent on the education of illegal immigrants who pay nothing in taxes The Center of Immigration Studies found that 90% of the members of the notorious gang MS-13 are illegal immigrants. The 18th Street gang has 30-50000 illegal immigrants. Gangs cause 80% of violent crimes.

The border fence is part of the solution to this.
http://www.ninjacloak.com...
Deportations are at an all time high, proving that the fence helps to stop the illegals. 55% of those deported were criminals

Conclusion

For national security, the US should implement a border fence.
Wylted

Con

I accept and look forward to my opponents opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
kingkd

Pro

Con has no response.

Rebuttals are to be in this round. I waive this round for fairness, as my opponent has no argument. I should get conduct point though.
Wylted

Con

Wylted forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
kingkd

Pro

Sorry Wylted, I win. No new arguments in the last round, and the FF is lack of conduct. Vote Pro
Wylted

Con

Wylted forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
tejretics
Oh ....
Posted by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
The basic one was scrapped and I'm basic because I can't do math well
Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
tejretics
You must have less than 4k Elo to be in the basic version.
Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
tejretics
HOW is Wylted in the Basic Tournament? He should be in advanced ...
Posted by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
Can you change it to the United States should build a border fence? Between the U.S. And Mexico
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Reasons for voting decision: Full forfeit. Pro was the only one to present a case. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeits, and Pro is the only one who makes any arguments or cites any sources.