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Medea is responsible for her actions

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Started: 5/5/2015 Category: Philosophy
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Hayesn

Pro

1. Both parties define responsible as answerable for something within one"s own power or control.
2. For a person to be responsible for an action, there must be a clear indication that they had control over the situation that occurred.
3. Within the play, Medea contemplates killing her children and thoroughly thinks of reasons why they should no longer live.
4. Given that Medea is capable of thinking in this moment, she shows that she has control over her own thoughts and emotions.
5. In the play, Medea also recognizes that her misery stems from her own "hard-heartedness". This statement would indicate that Medea knows she is miserable, not from external forces, but from her own emotions inside of her.
6. In regards to this premise, if a person"s emotions are inside of them, then he or she is the only person who has control or power over them.
7. Furthermore, Medea claims that she must kill her children to protect them and also to get revenge on Jason.
8. Her revenge on Jason was not a necessity and, by trying to get revenge, she is taking control of the situation rather than accepting her misfortune.
9. Also, the play makes it clear that Medea is the only person that killed her children and no one else gave her the idea to do so.
10. Therefore, due to the fact that killing her children was within Medea"s power and control, she must be considered responsible for their deaths.

Non-Controversial Premises:
Premises 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 9 are not controversial. Premises 1 and 2 define how a person becomes responsible for their actions. Premise 3 is shown within Medea"s monologue because there it is clear that Medea is thinking about her decision before acting. Premise 5 is based on a quote from within the play. Premise 7 and 9 are also shown directly within the monologue.

Controversial Premises:
4: Attempting to think rationally before acting is an indication that Medea did have control over her emotions and her actions in that moment.
6: Emotions are internal reactions to certain situations. Being that they are internal, only the person that is experiencing these emotions has power over how they affect their actions.
8: In general, revenge is not something that needs to be done and, by trying to get revenge, a person is trying to take back control in a situation that they previously felt they had no power in. When Medea killed her children, she took control of the situation and therefore is responsible.
rbyrne95

Con

1. I agree with the definition of responsibility.

2. In order for a person to be responsible that person must be able to think clearly.

3. Emotions can cloud a person"s judgment and prevent them from thinking clearly.

4. Pressure from outside sources can also cause a person to make decisions that they would not have made otherwise.

5. Medea"s heart is getting in the way of her ending her children"s lives, clearly showing that her emotions are affecting her judgement.

6. Also Medea states, "-anger is master of my plans". Anger is an emotion that clouds judgment, and makes people think and act irrationally.

7. Medea is going to be sacrificed by her enemies; her enemies are clearly an outside source getting in the way of her decisions.

8. On top of that Medea says that she does not want to let her enemies go unpunished, indicating hat she is thinking about them, while making this decision.

9. Medea keeps flipping back and fourth on whether she is going through with her plan or not, showing that she does not have clarity over her decisions.

10. Therefore, Because of Medea"s emotions, and the pressure from outside sources getting in the way of her decisions; she is not responsible for her actions.

Non-Controversial premises

Premises 1,2,3,4,6, and 8

Premise 1 is just an agreement with the definition of responsibility. Premise 2 is just a follow up about one of the necessary conditions for responsibility. Premise 3 is a statement on how emotions can cloud one"s decision making. Premise 4 is a statement on peer pressure, and how it can make people do things they would not normally do. Premise 6 is a statement on what anger is and how it can make a person think irrationally. Premise 8 states that Medea is thinking of her enemies while making this decision.

Controversial premises

Premises 5, 7, and 9

Premise 5 states that Medea"s emotion are definitely getting in the way of her decisions, if you believe they are not as big of a factor in the situation, this can be argued.

Premise 7 states that her enemies are getting in the way of her thinking rationally; while peer pressure can be a factor in irrational decision making; if her enemies are definitely getting in the way of her decision, is not said for certain.

Premise 9 states that Medea cannot make up her mind, but this could be seen as her trying to think about both sides of her decision thoroughly before acting.
Debate Round No. 1
Hayesn

Pro

2: I agree that, in order for a person to be considered responsible, they must be thinking clearly.

3: I also agree that emotions can cloud a person"s judgement. Emotions, however, are controllable. Each person chooses how they allow others to affect how they feel. This would mean that people are still responsible for their emotions as well as the actions that result from their emotions

4: Similar to premise 2, people have power over how they let external forces affect their emotions as well as their actions. Therefore, the responsibility of her actions cannot be passed to anyone else.

5: I agree that Medea"s heart is affecting her decisions. However, if she is not held responsible for her heart, who can be?

6: Anger, in some ways, is the master of Medea"s plans. Still, as stated before, anger is an emotion and people hold a responsibility for how they let external forces make them feel.

7: Medea does not have any control over her enemies sacrificing her. However, when Medea tries to get revenge and protect her children, she is, in a sense, taking control back in the situation. By taking action, Medea then becomes responsible for what occurs.

8: I agree that Medea"s decision was affected by her need for revenge but, similar to premise 2, Medea had control over how she let her enemies affect her.

9: By flipping back and forth, Medea shows that she is capable of thought and therefore responsible for what resulted afterwards. Medea came to a conclusion that she believed was the most rational and therefore must be held responsible.
rbyrne95

Con

3. Everyone"s emotions react different, depending on who they are. Emotions cannot be chosen for specific events happening. A person"s emotions generally just happen without any input from the person.

4. People can choose how they will react to outside pressure, but that can be very difficult, and that does not mean that the pressure she feels will not affect her judgment, and influence her decision.

5. The situation that Medea is in, as well as the events leading up to it, have caused Medea to feel this way. Her heart would not get in the way of ending her children"s lives, if events preceding this did not cause her to feel something for them. She did not choose to feel the way she does.

6. Anger can be a very powerful emotion, and when it comes on quickly and stays, it can be very hard to make a rational decision. Even if anger is only part of what is Making Medea"s decision, she cannot be held accountable for it.

7. Medea does not have control over what her enemies are about to do to her, but the fact that Medea is thinking about her enemies while making this decision proves that they have some sort of involvement on what the outcome of her choice will be. Since the decision is not entirely dependent on Medea herself, she is not responsible for it.

8. Yes but they did affect her, which caused her to feel emotions that led her to make a decision she would not have otherwise.

9. Medea flipping back and fourth shows that she is not thinking rationally. She only made her final decision because of the circumstances she was put in. Her time was coming to an end and her emotions took control.
Debate Round No. 2
Hayesn

Pro

3: I agree that everyone"s emotions are different and how they react to situations depends on who they are. However, emotions do not just occur. Each person has input over how they react to these emotions.

4: Although it can be difficult for people to control how they react to outside forces, this does not mean it is impossible. The fact that a person is capable of controlling their emotions, regardless of how difficult it is, shows that they still should be held accountable for their emotions as well as the actions that result from her emotions.

5: Similar to 4, Medea allowed previous events to make her feel certain emotions. Her heart got in the way because she allowed herself to react to situations in a negative way. Ultimately, she did choose to feel that way.

6: I agree that anger is a powerful emotion and it can affect decisions. However, Medea allowed herself to become angry and therefore opened the door to allowing anger to make irrational decisions for her. Medea allowed anger to be the master of her plans and is still accountable for her actions

7: Medea did not have control over what her enemies were about to do to her. Medea did, however, have control over her own actions. She is the only one that had a say in whether or not to kill her children and no one else can be considered responsible for her decision except her.

8: Her need for revenge did affect her decision to kill her children. However, Medea must still be held responsible for her need for revenge as well as her decisions that were a result of this.

9: I can agree that Medea was not thinking rationally but she had control over her mind and should still be held responsible for her thoughts, whether they are rational or irrational. If anything, she allowed her emotions to take over and should still be seen as responsible.
rbyrne95

Con

3. I agree emotions don"t just occur at random. They occur as a reaction to whatever situation a person finds themselves in, and when a person is put into a situation like Medea"s where they have to make a big decision in a short amount of time, while under pressure, it can be almost impossible to react to these emotions with sound judgment.

4. Similar to what I said in number 3, people can choose how they react to their emotions, but when put in a situation like Medea"s; there would almost be no chance of her making a clear and rational reaction.

5. Like I stated before, People all have different emotions, and different reactions. People are different because of the way the world shapes them; Medea could only have ever allowed herself to feel that way if her heart was somehow molded before hand to do so. The way we use and allow our emotions to work, is always dependent on the events of our lives. She did not choose to feel that way; situations in her life made her feel that way.

6. Medea did not allow herself to get angry; like I said in premise 3, that emotion was simply the reaction to the situation she was in, not something she consciously did.

7. I agree she was the only one who made the decision about her children, but it was the situation she was in, with her enemies that led her to it. The pressure they put her under has to go into account; they did have some sort of influence on her decision, even if they didn"t specifically tell her to kill her children.

8. Medea"s need for revenge, was fueled by anger, which clouded her judgment, and caused her to come to a conclusion that had more to do with the acts of others, than her own thoughts.

9. Medea did not allow her emotions to take over; they came on so fast and strong that she had almost no control over them at all. I agree that Medea should be responsible for ideas that come from herself, but when her ideas come from the pressures from others, and the overwhelming emotions she feels; she should not be held responsible
Debate Round No. 3
Hayesn

Pro

1.Both parties define responsible as answerable for something within one"s own power or control.
2.For a person to be responsible for an action, there must be a clear indication that they had control over the situation that occurred.
3.Within the play, Medea contemplates killing her children and thoroughly thinks of reasons why they should no longer live.
4.Although Medea"s thoughts were flipping back and forth, she still shows that she is capable of thought and therefore has some control over her feelings.
5.In the play, Medea also recognizes that her misery stems from her own "hard-heartedness". This statement would indicate that Medea knows she is miserable, not from external forces, but from her own emotions inside of her.
6.Regarding this premise, if Medea"s emotions are inside of her, this shows that she has control over them and she also knows that she is responsible of them.
7.Furthermore, Medea claims that she must kill her children to protect them and also to get revenge on Jason.
8.Her revenge on Jason was not a necessity and, by trying to get revenge, she is taking control of the situation rather than accepting her misfortune.
9.Also, although she may feel that external forces lead her to kill her children, she is the person that made the decision to kill her children. She may not have control over what external forces do to her, but she has control over what she does to others.
10.Therefore, due to the fact that killing her children was within Medea"s power and control, she must be considered responsible for their deaths.

Now that we have discussed this debate, I can see how others can believe that Medea cannot be held responsible for the death of her children. However, my view on her responsibility in her children"s deaths have not changed. I have slightly changed the wording in a few of my premises but my conclusion remains the same. In the end, Medea had power and control over the life of her children and she choose to take their lives. She cannot control what others do but she has control over what she does. When looking at the definition of responsibility, it is clear to me that Medea must be held responsible for the death of her children.
rbyrne95

Con

1. I agree with the definition of responsibility.

2. In order for a person to be responsible that person must be able to think clearly.

3. Emotions can cloud a person"s judgment and prevent them from thinking clearly.

4. Pressure from outside sources can also cause a person to make decisions that they would not have made otherwise. People can sometimes choose how to react to pressure, depending on their situation.

5. The events of Medea"s life have caused her emotions for her children to flare up and get in the way of her making a choice. Her feelings for them were not her choice.

6. While at first Medea might have had her anger under control, it quickly grew to the point where it greatly influenced her decision. She did not choose to get angry, she felt that way as a reaction to her situation.

7. Medea"s enemies are going to sacrifice her, by doing so they are putting great pressure on her to make a decision. They are involved in her ultimate choice.

8. The pressure from Medea"s enemies becomes even more apparent, when she mentions them while thinking about the fate of her children.

9. Medea is very indecisive, because of the situation she has been put in, and the confusing emotions she feels as a result of that situation.

10. Therefore, Because Medea"s emotions, and the pressure from outside sources keep getting in the way of her decisions; she is not responsible for her actions.

My opponent has brought up some good points, but ultimately my conclusion has remained the same. While I agree that Medea had slightly more control of the situation than I originally thought, her judgment was still clouded by anger, and her final decision was almost certainly influenced by her enemy"s actions. There is just too much evidence that shows that Medea"s actions were caused by forces beyond her control.
Debate Round No. 4
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