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Mellon Lord Would Beat Toph in a Battle

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/30/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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9spaceking

Pro

We will assume Mellon Lord and Toph are at their best, and they both can coexist at the same time, and that Mellon Lord is controlled by an invisible magical force that is intangible and undefeatable until she is defeated.

The situation goes as follows:
Toph is walking up a big hill when she senses a disturbance. An evil voice cackles from above and a fiery stone is sent hurtling toward her, barely missing her. Toph is angry, ready to fight, and senses that her opponent is approximately 100 meters away from her. Unbeknowst to her, it is the infamous MELLON LORD. She has killed many poor innocent (imaginary) creatures and she is skilled in firing her fiery boulders, as well as being able to resurrect many (stone) soldiers out of the ground to rush at her enemies. Toph is unaware that, she has to crush the mellon lord's skull and later will be savoring a bite of "her" head, and that the Mellon Lord was actually an animated magical being. Mellon Lord, on the other hand, is unaware too. She does not know that this is the best earth bender possibly in the world, and laughs arrogantly, thinking she will win. As the two get ready, and Toph rushes forward, only to be met with the Mellon Lord's soldiers....the battle begins...

Round one acceptance only.
Defro

Con


I accept, under certain clarifications.





Clarifications:

1. I am not arguing that Toph would defeat Melon Lord. Rather, I am arguing that Melon Lord would not defeat Toph. Pro has the positive assertion, therefore BOP is mostly on Pro.

2. Pro claimed that Toph will be at her best. This wasn't clear enough, therefore I am open to interpretation. Therefore I interpret that this would imply Toph is at the peak of physical fitness and able to physically fight at a human's very limits. This would imply she is as strong as fast as Batman, who is considered by many to be at the peak of the human physical limit. It also implies that she will be at her best mentally, so she'll also be as smart as Batman. Also, she will be perfectly healthy, meaning she will not have disease or genetic disorders, meaning she will not be blind. This also implies her Earth-Bending is at its maximum potential, so along with earth Bending, she can Lava Bend, Metal Bend, and since almost all masses in space except stars are made of earth, she can bend planets, asteroids/meteors, moons, etc.

3. I am able to have Toph be physically and mentally at her best because Pro claimed that Toph would be at her best. And since she is human, and we know that a human at his/her physical and mental best would be as strong and fast as an Olympic player, and not blind, it can be concluded that Toph at her best is as strong and fast as Batman, and not blind. The bending upgrades I gave her are theoretical, but it is theory supported by evidence and logic. She is able to bend everything made of some kind of earth and she herself invented metal blending. In the new Avatar series, certain earth benders can also bend lava because it is basically melted earth, so Toph at her best should be able to do so as well. Since planets, asteroids/meteors, moons, are made of earth, she can control those too if she was at her best.

4. However, Pro cannot make such wild upgrades to Melon Lord because we don't know what Melon Lord is, therefore we cannot know what Melon Lord's "best" is. Unless Pro provides reasonable evidence and logic, Pro cannot make any potential upgrades to Melon Lord like I did, because BOP is mostly on Pro.
Debate Round No. 1
9spaceking

Pro



Sigh...do you really think that Toph at her best would be as smart as BATMAN??? Batman can invent gadgets. We haven't seen Toph invent a single gadget in the whole darn movie/show. Batman is Batman is Batman. He can eat a whole hot dog in only about 3 seconds while Toph cannot eat the whole hot dog in only 3 seconds.
Also, Batman can defeat Superman with just a tiny Kryptonite ring....which he invented. Toph cannot invent anything of the sort.
And Toph is also not nearly as smart as Katara. Remember the episode where Katara sweat bends? Yeah, Toph thinks she's crazy. She does not make the connections and does not remember that sweat is a liquid, and thus does not know that Katara is actually escaping. We can clearly see from my examples, Toph even at her smartest not be as awesome as Batman. We can only put Toph at Toph's limits. We cannot assume she mastered a gazillion fighting styles like Batman, and cannot assume she will be as fast and strong as Batman, because Batman is Batman is Batman is not Toph.

Now, I accept that she can bend planets, asteroids/meteors, moons, etc, but these will be very difficult, and planets will still be extroardinarily difficult to bend, even if Toph is at her best. (We have never seen her do even anything remotely the sort)

So without further ado, let the battle begin!

SITUATION ONE:
Toph rushes forth, ready to end the Melon Lord, only to be faced by a massive force of earth "Fire Nation Soldiers". Using her earth bending, she easily breaks a load of them, and throws out a gigantic boulder to Melon Lord. The Melon Lord merely cackles before meeting the boulder with a few boulders of her own, and Toph is shocked to see that the boulders are on fire. She very narrowly dodges them, only to be tripped up by a Fire Nation Soldier. Trying to get back on her feet and regain her stance, she is only met with another few fiery boulder, and as she attempts to break them, she burns herself. Hurt, she fights on, but she does not last long with the great injury. Even while she tries to summon a giant meteor to destroy Melon Lord, her vision blurs and--at last, she collapses, as the Melon Lord looks up to the sky, seeing nothing harmful of the sort.
Melon Lord cackles in victory.

SITUATION TWO:
Toph rushes forth, ready to end the Melon Lord, only to be faced by a massive force of earth "Fire Nation Soldiers". She backs away, giving the Melon Lord the illusion that she was retreating, while in reality she was slowly summoning a gigantic meteor. While summoning the meteor, she fights on those soldiers, kicking their heads off and cracking their body. But they reformed rather quickly. Some of them even begun to have spears and other weapons on them. Toph was undaunted. The meteor was coming soon and she only had to hold off for a little while longer. So, with a surge of strength, she quickly crashed a giant wall upon those soldiers while traveling upon the wall, going forth very fast. She was now only a few feet from Melon Lord. It was only then did she notice that she had massive fiery boulders; she was so busy fighting around and kicking, she miraculously had dodged this boulders. She jumped up, and the meteor came just in time, and as she was about to finish the Melon Lord....
The Melon Lord eyed her and just sent another boulder in her way. Toph easily kicked it away. She sent yet another few boulders. These, she easily dodged too. Just then, she saw the meteor already crashing towards the Melon Lord. Toph grinned, thinking she had won, and as Melon Lord looked up in horror---she got an idea too. She immediately used her magic, cracking the asteroid bit by bit, pulling it just a little bit.....and the asteroid came crashing down. Toph, thinking she had won, cheered in victory, only to see a gigantic fiery boulder land on her. She screams in agony, as the asteroid slowly cracks apart, revealing a tiny gap just enough to fit the Melon Lord.
Melon Lord cackles in victory.

SITUATION THREE:
Toph rushes forth, ready to end the Melon Lord, only to be faced by a massive force of earth "Fire Nation Soldiers". She does some quick thinking and just jumps on top of them as they uselessly swing their weapons around. A few fiery boulders shoot towards Toph, but she breaks a few, dodging the others easily. Soon enough, she's covered half of the ground between them. But the Melon Lord does some quick thinking as well and creates, with some effort, a giant Earth "Fire nation" tank that fired non-fiery boulders. Between all the boulders, Toph inadvertently took a few hits. Toph had had enough by now--she lifted the tank, throwing it to the Melon Lord, and the Melon Lord was forced to destroy the tank with her own fiery boulders. Now, Toph lifts up a giant wall, about to crush Melon Lord....when a slicing sound comes from behind, followed by a stabbing sound, as Toph all-too-late realizes that a "fire nation" soldier had sneaked up on her and delivered the killing blow.
Melon Lord cackles in victory. (Note that, without her blindness, her ability to see interferes with her ability to feel, and as a result, Defro's seeing-boost messes up with Toph's feeling perceptive. The only other possibility is that Toph stops the soldier in sacrifice for the wall, leaving Melon Lord free to shoot fiery boulders behind her and keep her busy.)

In conclusion...Toph loses in all three situations.
Melon Lord cackles in victory.

Onto you, Defro.
Defro

Con








The Relationship between Toph and Batman

1. Pro said that Toph would be at her best.

2. Toph is human.

3. Batman is considered by most to be the best human there is, be it physically or mentally.

4. Therefore, using the transitive property, it can validly be concluded that Toph at her best would mean she is as strong, fast, and smart as Batman.



Pro's "situations"

Pro has provided 3 situations, however they are not to be considered in this debate. Pro has not met the BOP that these 3 situations are valid. In fact, Pro narrates and fabricates the situations by himself, making them incredibly biased. It has been established in round 1 that Pro bears most of the BOP, which so far has not been met.




*I demand pro base his assertions from facts, not his biased imagination.

*You cannot use self-fabricated situations and claim they are potentially plausible. However, you can compare the skills and abilities of both characters to determine the likelyhood of one defeating the other, and that is what I will do.





Toph's skills and abilities:

-She is an extremely skilled Earth Bender [1]. In fact, Pro has conceded that she is the best Earth Bender in the world.

-She can also bend metal. [2]

-If (as Pro claimed) she would be at her best, she would also be able to bend lava. [3]

-Pro has also conceded that she will be able to manipulate planets, asteroids, meteors, and moons. If she chooses to, she can literally destroy the planet she is on.

-In this fight, she will be at her physical and mental best, therefore she is at least as strong, fast, and smart as Batman, who is considered by most to be at the peak of human limitations.

-She is blind. However, Pro claimed that in this fight she will be at her best, implying there is nothing wrong with her health, therefore in this fight she is notblind.



Metal Lord's skills and (disablilities)

*Not much is known about Melon Lord. The only valid and reliable source is this video [4]. Therefore everything Pro claims Melon Lord is able to do must be seen from this video, otherwise there is no proof Melon Lord can do it.


Stone Soldiers:

-From the video at 1:14, it is shown the most soldiers Melon Lord has ever summoned was 7. There is no proof that Melon Lord can summon more than 7 soldiers. While Pro claimed that Melon Lord will also be at her best, there is no proof that this isn't Melon Lord's best. Therefore it is concluded that the most soldiers she can summon at a time are 7.

-Furthermore, these soldiers are not very strong. It is shown in the video that just splashing water on them is enough to destroy them.

-Note that as Pro claimed, Toph is the best Earth Bender in the world, therefore she should be able to manipulate these stone soldiers and have them backfire on Melon Lord.


Fiery Boulders:

-At 0:34 of the video, it is shown that Melon Lord is limited to only 7 boulders per fight.

-At 1:07, it is shown that the boulders don't start out fiery. Melon Lord must take at least 3 seconds to light the boulders on fire.

-Note that Pro did not mention that there would be a source of fire at the battle ground. Therefore it is possible that Melon Lord cannot even chuck fiery boulders in this fight.


Melon Lord Cannot Walk:

-Never in the video has Melon Lord moved. Because it is not possible to prove that Melon Lord can move, it is concluded that Melon Lord is constantly staying at a fixed position in which she cannot leave.






Sources:

[1] http://avatar.wikia.com...

[2] http://avatar.wikia.com...;

[3] http://avatar.wikia.com...

[4] Video







Debate Round No. 2
9spaceking

Pro

Incorrect, Defro. Toph is not at humans' best, she is only at Toph's best. Toph can only be as strong, fast, and smart as she demonstrates in the show. Therefore she cannot be as smart as Batman. But she can still be as strong and fast as Batman, since she has proved to be able to earthbend insanely fast and lift up humongous humongous rocks, therefore I concede those points. But in no way is she a genius. Toph is not a genius even at her best. She is only very smart. I already have shown evidence that she is far from being as even remotely as smart as Batman. I estimate she only as 125 IQ even at her best, not Batman's freaking 192 IQ. (Source: http://batman.wikia.com...)

I have not conceded Toph is the best Earth Bender in the world. She is one of the best, however THE BEST is very arguable. King Boomi could be equal, or even better, than Toph, especially with his insane mad genius of a mind. In fact, within a battle, while Aang easily knocked Toph out of the ring, he failed to do the same to King Boomi and was forced to create a giant tornado, and even then, could only battle to an agreed draw against King Boomi.

I didn't mention the source of fire. It is assumed to be there, because Melon Lord is at her best with those fires, therefore the fires remain there.

"There is no proof that Melon Lord can summon more than 7 soldiers..."
Toph in metal armor
Indeed, but there is true proof that she can summon Metal Soldiers.
Look at the above picture. This metal soldier is obviously summoned by none other than Melon Lord herself. Note that "Melon Lord" learned this ability already before she was born. Seeing the wikia, you can tell this picture comes before Melon Lord's picture. Thus, Melon Lord inherents this ability, and if metal was availible around, or summoned by Toph, Melon Lord could use it against Toph and both would struggle over control over the metal soldier, while Melon Lord sends a bunch of fiery boulders towards Toph, making her job very hard.

Not only so, Melon Lord just chose not to summon the gigantic barrier or the rest of her abilities because the rest of the team was too fast. If Melon Lord had a bit more time she could do this....
Toph fends off Dai Li agents

And block Toph's boulder shots or gigantic walls while staying safe.

And the big problem is that Toph, even when super smart, probably would be pretty reluctant to do situation three and try jumping over the soldiers. From the wikia page mentioned before, "She also displayed a remarkable amount of agility for one who preferred to have her feet planted on the ground at all times." This means that Toph will most likely be in situation one or two. My opponent hasn't exactly shown the flaws and the implausibility in my situations, just bare assertions that they are biased and won't happen. He needs to point out what exactly in my situations are impossible and won't happen, and give evidence. Otherwise it's just bluffing nonsense.
Back to you, Defro.
Defro

Con







Rebuttal:



"Toph can only be as strong, fast, and smart as she demonstrates in the show."

-And in the show, it is "demonstrated" that Toph is a human. And since Batman is at the peak of human abilities, Toph will be equal to Batman.


"I estimate she only as 125 IQ even at her best"

-BOP lies with Pro to prove that Toph's IQ is 125.

- That's not her best though. She is a human. Humans have to potential to have far higher IQs, therefore, at her best as a human, Toph would be a genius.


"I have not conceded Toph is the best Earth Bender in the world."

-You literally said in the second last paragraph in round 1: "this is the best earth bender possibly in the world"

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You shouldn't take back your words in a debate, and if you do, that should be a conduct violoation.


"Look at the above picture. This metal soldier is obviously summoned by none other than Melon Lord herself."

-Nope. Pro has provided false information. And I can prove it. In the first video I provided, at 1:27, it is shown that this "metal soldier" is actually created by Toph using her metal bending. [1]


"He needs to point out what exactly in my situations are impossible and won't happen"

-No I don't. I'm not even considering your "situations" because I as I have said, they are biased and a construct of your imagination, therefore cannot be used in this debate.

-However, I will allow you to use these situations this time. I will refute your situations. In return, I will be bringing up situations of my own.



Rebuttal of Situation 1:

"Toph rushes forth, ready to end the Melon Lord, only to be faced by a massive force of earth "Fire Nation Soldiers""

- As I've explained in the previous round, the most soldiers Melon Lord can summon at a time is 7. It is not proven that she can summon more at a time.


"She very narrowly dodges them, only to be tripped up by a Fire Nation Soldier."

- Toph has seismic sense. [2] This skill enables her to detect vibrations in the ground to perceive objects, people, and other aspects of their environment, essentially acting as sonar, but through earth and metal. She is aware of the locations and shapes of everything touching the ground even when they are miles away.

- She would have know the soldier was there to "trip" her.


"Even while she tries to summon a giant meteor to destroy Melon Lord, her vision blurs and--at last, she collapses"

-This shows the bias in your "situation". In this situation, the first thing you made Toph do was to "rush forth" and defend against Melon Lord's attacks. She could have just summoned the meteor to begin with.


Rebuttal of Situation 2:

"Toph rushes forth, ready to end the Melon Lord"

-Again. With all her Earth Bending skill, the very first thing you think Toph would do is to "rush forth"?

-The rest of this situation can be refuted similarly to how I refuted your first situation.


"She immediately used her magic, cracking the asteroid bit by bit"

-There is no proof that Melon Lord is able to do this, as the only reliable source you can use is the video I posted in the previous round, and in the video Melon Lord did not "crack" anything.



My situations:

1. In Pro's first situation, Toph throws out a giant boulder to Melon Lord, who defends against it by hitting them with her own boulders. In this situation, instead of throwing a boulder, Toph throws a lava shuriken. In the second video I provided, at 0:47, it is shown that with only 3 small rocks, a skilled earth bender is able to make a lava shuriken that cuts and melts through practically anything. [3] That was with only 3 rocks. Now say Toph converts this giant boulder into a lava shuriken and throws it at Melon Lord. Melon Lord cannot defend against it because it will just go straight through her boulders. Furthermore, Melon Lord can't even dodge it because as shown in the previous round, there is no proof that Melon Lord can walk, run, or do anything to shift her position.

2. Toph can just bury the entire battle ground in lava. In the third video I provided, it shows an Earth Bender bending the ground into lava, which melts all other earth that touches it into lava as well. [4] This man was able to completely bury a large castle along with the mountain it is on in lava. Toph can do this to the battle ground and Melon Lord cannot escape it because she can't walk.

3. Pro provided a third situation and conceded that it is not likely. I will also provide a third situation that is not likely, but entirely possible. Pro conceded that Toph will be able to control the planet. She can even control the planet's inner and outer cores since they are made of lava. Toph can literally blow up the entire planet, killing herself, and making it impossible for Melon Lord to beat her.




Sources:

[1] 1st video

[2] http://avatar.wikia.com...

[3] 2nd video

[4] 3rd video
Debate Round No. 3
9spaceking

Pro

LAST ROUND.
Defro, you made a big error.
First of all, Toph is not at the limit of humans. Once again, she is only at the limit of Toph. If I was at my limits I would not be able to lift the heaviest weight man can lift, run as fast as the fastest man in the world. I can only lift as much as my muscles and adreneline allow, and run as fast as my legs can bring me along with the oxygen my lungs can bring. I do not have the best pair of lungs in the world, therefore I am not at man's limits. Similarly, Toph hasn't demonstrated any smartness near Batman or even compared to Katara as shown in round 2, therefore she, even at her limits, definitely does not magically obtain 192 IQ.
You forgot that Melon Lord is basically Toph with really good acting skills. Because such, Melon Lord can do anything Toph can do.

If Toph can make the metal soldier, so can Melon Lord.
If Toph can summon more than 7 soldiers, surely can Melon Lord.
Toph has a seismic sense, but this is hindered by her new sight. She has to adapt to this new sense and will have trouble because she has never been able to see before. Thus, it would actually be harder for her to "see". In contrast Melon Lord isn't hindered by anything since we can only assume either she cannot see then turns into CAN see, bringing her to equal to Toph, or already can see especially with the help of the magical force I mentioned in round one. Thus, it must be concluded within sight, they are at least tied, if not Melon Lord with the upper hand.

As for the earth shuriken, once again, there is no proof that it can go through the massive wall I pictured within the previous round. Even with lava (where did it even come from?), it is doubt-able that it will be able to reach Melon Lord. We can only assume she will be able to at least stop the shuriken before it reaches him. As team avatar never got to throw rocks against Melon Lord, we aren't sure whether Melon Lord can be able to fling rocks back at them, but with her ability to easily push forward big boulders, Melon Lord would surely be able to stop a simple shuriken.

Now, to address the lava--don't you think Melon Lord would be smart enough to elevate the ground at the very least to stall her demise? Team Avatar actually took a surprisingly long time to defeat her, considering it was actually 4 verses one, with one of them being, importantly, The Great Avatar himself.

Finally, as for the self-destruction, even though both of them technically lose, Toph is still beaten by Melon Lord. Even though Melon Lord is beaten, Toph is beaten too. Self-destruction would just be conceding defeat. :P

In conclusion...
-With similar (actually, same!) abilities as Toph, Melon Lord is extraordinarily difficult to defeat.
-With creativity within the soldiers, and help with the fiery boulders, Toph is doomed.
-Even though Melon Lord cannot move, Toph is herself working best on the ground, unmoving, and while Toph has to move to fend off the soldiers, the fiery boulders, all while trying to summon the killer meteor, Melon Lord obviously has the upper-hand here, since she doesn't have to worry about moving and fending off multiple enemies; having only to face Toph herself.

With the combination of Lava, soldiers, Walls, and fiery Boulders, Toph is doomed to lose this battle.
VOTE ME.
Defro

Con








Rebuttal(s):


"Defro, you made a big error. First of all, Toph is not at the limit of humans. Once again, she is only at the limit of Toph."

- I didn't make an error, I interpreted your words differently than what you actually meant because you did not clarify properly. In round 1, I pointed out that your statement about Toph being at her best wasn't clear enough, so I was open to interpretation, as long as my interpretation was valid, which I proved it was using the transitive property in Round 2.


"You forgot that Melon Lord is basically Toph with really good acting skills. Because such, Melon Lord can do anything Toph can do."

-Melon Lord can't walk or run. She has no legs. A lot of Earth Bending requires using the legs, so Melon Lord's Earth Bending is heavily limited.

-This claim has not been not proven. There is only 1 reliable source for Melon Lord and it is is the video in my round 2 post. In that video, it doesn't show Melon Lord metal bending, which Toph can do. It doesn't show Melon Lord walking or running, which Toph can do. There is no proof Melon Lord can do anything Toph can.


"If Toph can make the metal soldier, so can Melon Lord."

-Again, there is no proof supporting this assertion.


"Toph has a seismic sense, but this is hindered by her new sight."

-Pro has made a huge contradiction. Pro claimed that Toph being at her best does not mean being at a human's best, just like how if he was at his own limits, he cannot lift the heaviest weight a man can lift. If this were true, Toph would still be blind.

-However, in this debate, since I was open to interpretation, Toph is not blind. This certainly does not mean that her new sight will hinder her. If it does, she can close her eyes, but it really doesn't. Under normal circumstances, one might be hindered by new senses because they are not used to the new sense. However, despite being blind all her life, Toph is used to sight. This is because her seismic sense actually allows her to see everything. She knows what everything looks like as long as it's touching the ground. She just doesn't know its colors. I provided a video showing how seismic sense works. [1] At 0:26, it shows how if something is touching the ground, Toph can see it. This can actually be more helpful than sight because she can see things behind her and miles away.

-The only weakness that seismic sense has is that she can't see things that are in the air and not touching the ground. This is a problem because Melon Lord chucks flying boulders. But if Toph had vision in her eyes, she can see them.


"In contrast Melon Lord isn't hindered by anything..."

-Melon Lord can't walk or run. She can't dodge.


"there is no proof that it can go through the massive wall I pictured within the previous round. Even with lava (where did it even come from?)"

-There is proof though. There's scientific proof.

-First of all, lava comes from earth. Lava and magma are basically melted rocks. When you heat and apply pressure to rocks, they to lava. So basically, answering your question of where the lava came from, it came from everywhere, the entire planet is literally at Toph's disposal to melt into lava.

-When lava touches earth, the earth melts into lava. In the second video I provided in round 3, a man sets a small part of the castle on lava, and it just spreads until the entire castle is melted.

-This "massive wall" of yours is made of earth. A very sharp object hot enough to burn earth should be able to go through.


"Don't you think Melon Lord would be smart enough to elevate the ground at the very least to stall her demise?"

-Stall her demise? So you're conceding that Melon Lord loses, but she loses slowly?


"Finally, as for the self-destruction, even though both of them technically lose, Toph is still beaten by Melon Lord."

-Not true. Just like how Nazi agents used to swallow a pill that kills themselves when they are captured so that the Allies cannot interrogate/torture them, Toph killing herself makes it so that Melon Lord cannot defeat her.

-Self destruction is not conceding defeat. It is preventing defeat.


"With the combination of Lava, soldiers, Walls, and fiery Boulders, Toph is doomed to lose this battle."

-There is no proof Melon Lord can Lava Bend.

-I have proven that Toph's lava shuriken can cut through Melon Lord's wall.



Conclusion:

-Pro has not met his Burden of Proof.

-In fact, he fabricated most of his arguments.

-His arguments lack proper evidence.

-In round 1, Pro said that Toph is "the best earth bender possibly in the world", yet in round 2, he said he has not conceded that Toph is the best Earth Bender in the world. Therefore, Pro has lied, which is a clear conduct violation.





Sources:

[1] Video
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
lolzzz
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
I...need.....sleep.....I just finished watching all of The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra in 2 weeks.....I'm gonna die.....
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
cool.
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
before i begin I wanna rewatch the anime along with the legend of korra as well.
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
does it really take that long to post "BoP is shared, I accept"?
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
whatever. I can still do it.
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
Yes, you could...if it still exists.

The pokemon challenge is dead man.
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
I just realized something....DEFRO!!!!

Could i use this for the pokemon challenge?
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
I'll take it. Let me accept.
Posted by Commondebator 3 years ago
Commondebator
never mind
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Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct and S&G - Tie. Both had proper conduct and equally well spelling/grammar. Arguments - Con. Pro does seem to fail at presenting actual evidence for some of his claims, this hurts Pro as the BOP does generally lie with him. Con was able to overcome each challenge and it really should have been the other way around. For these reasons, Con wins arguments. Sources - Con. This is due to Con's efforts at showing the false evidence that Pro shared in his own source. Due to this, Con's sources were stronger and thus he is awarded these points.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct and S&G are obviously tied. Arguments to Con for failure to uphold BoP on Pro's part, along with logical fallacies created by Con. Sources to Con since Pro has not listed a single source.