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roman.legion
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Miserlou
Con (against)
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27 Points

Men and women really are different.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/26/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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roman.legion

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Out of thirty-two people who are on this site currently, only two are female. Face it femminists, it is not sexist to treat men and women differently (though it is sexist to treat them as if they matter less), since they are different.
Miserlou

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There are two levels we have to treat men and women differently on: biologically, and everything else. It is obvious that we have different bodies, and there are a few hormones and trends that go with it, but to bring a famous question: Is there such thing as separate but equal?

Okay, men and women have different bathrooms but I don't think any one is better than the other. But entertainment such as movies, TV, and even music or most products people like to categorize as guy or girls. But a "man's" movie is not necessarily of better quality than a "woman's". The thing about gender is that all the differences besides what organs one has (yes, including hormones), are trends. They only apply to the general population. So if women and men are treated differently by default, that gives that part of the population the raw end of the deal.

I'm not a transvestite or transsexual; I am a female. But I like a lot of things that are labeled "man", like action movies. And on the same token I hate chick flicks. And I like a lot of men on a level that goes beyond their penis; I've got a lot of male friends and few boyfriends. So I don't want to be treated differently because I'm afraid that how everyone else thinks I should act is not how I actually do. I don't want to get a weird look when I'm the only girl. There are other girls like me too, and there are guys out there who experience the reverse. So if someone who doesn't fit inside the norm can't get what they want out of life then that is not equality.
Debate Round No. 1
roman.legion

Pro

I agree with most of what you say. I would point out the converse of your arguement, though. If men and women are not treated differently by default, a much greater percentage of the population gets the raw end of the deal. Of course, I'm not in favor of an extensive list of rules and assumptions. I just think guys should open doors and pay for dinner (which I doubt you'd take issue with). Society needs general rules to keep people from killing each other. Most of those rules go out the window once you get to know a person anyway.
Miserlou

Con

" I just think guys should open doors and pay for dinner (which I doubt you'd take issue with). "

I do. If guys always had to pay for dinner it would save me a lot of money, but it would be annoying and awful for the guy. What if your girlfriend wants file mignon and a bottle of wine from the most expensive place in town? Sexism isn't just men being mean to women, it can go in the reverse.

"If men and women are not treated differently by default, a much greater percentage of the population gets the raw end of the deal."

I don't see how that would happen. The idea is that men and women as groups are not treated differently, but individuals of course are not the same person. If there's a woman who fits all the current ideas about how women should act, that's fine for her. If there are no expectations, than they can't be broken.

"Society needs general rules to keep people from killing each other."

That's true. But I fail to see how gender equality and murder rates coincide.

"Most of those rules go out the window once you get to know a person anyway."

This is true, but I can't get really get to know everyone I meet, and in the meantime I don't want to be stereotyped. Gender stereotyping can even prevent people from getting to know each other because someone who doesn't fit the bill is seen as weird. If you start without an assumption, reality is much easier to accept.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Miserlou 9 years ago
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Thanks, and yeah, that's what I was thinking
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
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Miserlou simply outdebates roman.legion on this one. Good round.

From the debate, I buy that voting Con means on a base level, men an women are the same in the sense that they should both be treated with the same basic natural respect. However, it is ok to treat people differently in the sense of individuality.
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