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Shtookah
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HEADPHONEGUY
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Michael Savage is the biggest dewshbag on the right end of the spectrum

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Shtookah
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/30/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Shtookah

Pro

Hate speech- Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.

Michael Savage is a fascist who spreads hate speech with a passion and is worth the title of "Biggest dewshbag on the right end of the spectrum".

Here are some of his, interesting beliefs...

1. Believes that Islam and Alqaeda are one in the same.
http://mediamatters.org...

2.God is a conservative because liberals apparently have no morals..
http://mediamatters.org...

3. Sees Illegal immigrants as "locusts".
http://mediamatters.org...

4. If you don't pay taxes you should loose your right to vote.
http://mediamatters.org...

5. Believes Obama is a Marxist.. ( Even though he clearly a tool to wallstreet)
http://mediamatters.org...

6. Thinks Dennis Kucinich is a communist and a whore..
http://mediamatters.org...

7. Believes progressives rape American society.
http://mediamatters.org...

8. Thinks Jimmy Carter is a " Jew hater and a jihad lover"
http://mediamatters.org...

9. Believes The people of both Iraq and Afghanistan (ALL mind you..) celebrate death, and believes we, (the U.S.) should give them what they ask for.
http://mediamatters.org...

10. This is a great one.... If you can't see the link between the Manson family to Obama, you must be brain washed.
http://mediamatters.org...

Granted Media Matters is quite liberal of a source, let the record show that the 10 posted examples have VIDEO evidence of savages claims. On top of that, here is an article from the Washington Times Savage being BANNED from the u.k. :)
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

I am challenging someone to debunk my claim of Michael Savage being the " Biggest dewshbag on the right end of the spectrum".
Good luck.
HEADPHONEGUY

Con

Thanks for the debate.
Since my opponent did not set the definitions I will do set them for him.
1."dewshbag"=douche bag-Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and azshole, however not yet reached fuker or motherfuker. Not to be confuzed with douche.
2. "right end of spectrum"=republican party
3. biggest-In great magnitude; colossal; huge; of great quantity

C1-By some of his interesting beliefs are you talking about Michael Savage's or the whole republican party? Because I believe you just defined what Republican means, congratz I've never seen that done before.
I agree with you Michael Savage is a "dewshbag" ,however the biggest douche bag?
Here are simply a few who surpasses Michael "dewshbag"iness.
since you didn't post arguments I won't either just links.
1. Glenn Beck
A.) commenting on how Obama's mom didn't want him to go to Indonesia because she didn't want him influenced by someone who is not a Marxist.
http://mediamatters.org...
B.)NCLR" A nasty, take america and give it back to the Mexicans group"
(I must say Glenn didn't you go to school America was never Mexico's to begin with lol)
http://mediamatters.org...
C.)Beck: "Fox treats you like an adult," rest of the media "treat[s] you like boys and girls"
http://mediamatters.org...
You can find all of them here- http://mediamatters.org... beck
http://mediamatters.org... savage
2. Bill O'reilly
a.Believes that Islam and Alqaeda are one in the same.
http://mediamatters.org......
b.God is a conservative because liberals apparently have no morals..
http://mediamatters.org......
c.Sees Illegal immigrants as "locusts".
http://mediamatters.org......
d.If you don't pay taxes you should loose your right to vote.
http://mediamatters.org......
e.Believes Obama is a Marxist..
http://mediamatters.org......
I eagerly await my opponents links
Debate Round No. 1
Shtookah

Pro

I agree with my opponents definitions except with what he claims to be the right end of the spectrum. Just because you are on the right, that indeed does not make you a republican. You could be any apart of any political party and still be conservative. Matter in fact, Glenn beck has even considered himself to be a "libertarian" haha..

My opponent wishes to argue that Bill O'reilly and Glenn Beck are potential candidates of exceeding Savage's douche baggyness.

In rebuttal..
1. Glenn Beck is purely an entertainer and he plays of that record alone. YES, he is on fox and attempts to be a cheerleader for fox news's brain washing. However, he is a joke and he knows this. And although did he throws smear campaigns day by day on fox, he always will say " You be the judge and look it up yourself". In the end of the day Glenn Beck is really just a conservative Alex Jones...( a nut )

2. Bill O'reilly is really just an old prick quite honestly. Yes he is up there on the doucheness, but regardless he's a big time news anchor, and he is forced to have manners and keep it cool. Of course he has made some very horrible claims and seriously should be considered as a bigoted hate speaker.

THE POINT: Michael Savage is a radio head with no boundaries, and unlike Bill or Glenn, he has been BANNED from an entire nation. He has defined hate speech and has expressed himself to be quite a "fascist-nationalist" political figure.

More examples:
- Here Savage calls a caller a worm, and a coward for having a peaceful political difference.

- Despite the horrible title, Michael links black people from slavery to welfare..

- This just makes me laugh... A Mexican caller gets his revenge, sorta.
HEADPHONEGUY

Con

I agree with my opponents definition set for "right end of the spectrum"
" You could be ANY part of ANY POLITICAL PARTY and still be CONSERVATIVE"

Hitler is the biggest douchebag*
Many conservatives would argue that Hitler was a leftist because he subjugated the individual to the state. However, this characterization is wrong, for several reasons.

The first error is in assuming that this is exclusively a liberal trait. Actually, U.S. conservatives take considerable pride in being patriotic Americans, and they deeply honor those who have sacrificed their lives for their country. The Marine Corps is a classic example: as every Marine knows, all sense of individuality is obliterated in the Marines Corps, and one is subject first, foremost and always to the group.

The second error is forgetting that all human beings subscribe to individualism and collectivism. If you believe that you are personally responsible for taking care of yourself, you are an individualist. If you freely belong and contribute to any group -- say, an employing business, church, club, family, nation, or cause -- then you are a collectivist as well. Neither of these traits makes a person inherently "liberal" or "conservative," and to claim that you are an "evil socialist" because you champion a particular group is not a serious argument.

Political scientists therefore do not label people "liberal" or "conservative" on the basis of their individualism or collectivism. Much more important is how they approach their individualism and collectivism. What groups does a person belong to? How is power distributed in the group? Does it practice one-person rule, minority rule, majority rule, or self-rule? Liberals believe in majority rule. Hitler practiced one-person. Thus, there is no comparison.
Debate Round No. 2
Shtookah

Pro

My opponent does in fact make a fine case for Adolph Hitler. It's pretty hard to consider anyone really being a bigger douche than that guy. Although for the sake of argument I would like challenge my opponents claim of Hitler's legitimacy of being on the right end of the spectrum. Indeed he was a nationalist, but at the same time he promised the people a better society, and to progress into a time of a New German empire. (That being the the third Reich) Hence the title of being a "Nationalist Socialist". While creating a single-party state, and upholding a favoritism society, his regime also enforced rather "leftist" policies such as progressive taxation. Fascists come from both ends of the spectrum, left and right.

Right wing fascists obtain their power through force.
Left wing fascists obtain their power through promises, lies and deceit.

Adolph Hitler did BOTH of these..

Nationalism is a right wing philosophy.
Socialism is a left wing philosophy.

Adolph Hitler ran a fascist state incorporating these two philosophies.

In conclusion, to fully categorize Hitler of being a right winger isn't a just accusation. Hitler wanted to conquer the world.. To create and establish a "clean society" for the Aryan race... In other words... CHANGE things..

This isn't exactly a conservative ideology.. In order for my opponent to combat my latest statement, he'll have to make the case that Hitler was somehow a reactionary. For reactionaries are the only right wingers that "change" anything. However this proposition is preposterous for there has never been such a global society ruled by the Aryan race.

All in all, my opponent's proposition is a debatable one. And can not be qualified, to surpass my previous statement of "Michael Savage is the biggest dewshbag on the right end of the spectrum." For Hitler was a Nationalist Socialist. While Michael Savage is a Nationalist Corporate Police Statist.
HEADPHONEGUY

Con

R1-My opponent has conceded that Hitler Was the biggest douche bag however he has challenged my assertion that Hitler was a conservative. My opponent has said that I must prove Hitler a reactionary because "reactionaries are the only right wingers that 'change' anything." This is my opponents error (among others) that I must prove he was a reactionary this creates a fallacy of false dilemma. Bifurcation fallacy is committed when a false dilemma is presented, i.e. when someone is asked to choose between two options when there is at least one other option available. He only presents a single option to me.
All my opponent really said was Hitler isn't a right winger because he wanted to move forward, he wanted to create a clean society, he wanted to conquer the world. Although this is incorrect because all republicans want to move forward want to progress, but they want to progress with the same ideas and values ( and beliefs) that they've always been.
My opponent said " you could be any part of any politial party and still be a conservative" so it doesn't matter that Hitler was a national socialist while michael savage is a nationalist corporate police statist.

C1- Hitler chose many right ideology's for example
Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
Capitalism over Marxism.
Realism over idealism.
Nationalism over internationalism
Gun ownership over gun control
Religion over secularism.
Hitler in short is one of many conservatives like Stalin who killed in the name of "progress" yet never moved forward

I extend my arguments made in
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by HEADPHONEGUY 6 years ago
HEADPHONEGUY
v-bomb lol
Posted by Shtookah 6 years ago
Shtookah
gah apathy then vote.. What is this the American presidential election.. ha.. ha .. ha..
Posted by belle 6 years ago
belle
beck may be crazy, but savage reaches a whole new level of douchebaggery. its really no contest.
Posted by Shtookah 6 years ago
Shtookah
Dang does anybody care to vote?
Posted by Jurn77 6 years ago
Jurn77
Everyone rejoice; His name is Michael Alan Weiner...
Posted by TheImmortalSon 6 years ago
TheImmortalSon
Wow, this man is an idiot. In his video on Islam (Pro's first point in round one) he states that "Islam is the only religion with holy sites..."

Jerusalem is a significant "site" for the three main Abrahamic religions, them being Christianity, Judaism and Islam. That's just one of them among others. This guy is a nut.
Posted by Ramshutu 6 years ago
Ramshutu
That was indeed a good debate; unfortunately I cannot vote. However, if I could, I would mark Pro down on grabbar for using the term "Douche Baggyness"; I beleive the correct term is Douchebaggery.
Posted by Shtookah 6 years ago
Shtookah
A good debate indeed.
Posted by HEADPHONEGUY 6 years ago
HEADPHONEGUY
@roy 1."dewshbag"=douche bag-Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and azshole, however not yet reached fuker or motherfuker. Not to be confuzed with douche.
Posted by RoyLatham 6 years ago
RoyLatham
Neither side provided a useful definition of "dewshbag" so the debate arguments cannot be judged.

A spelling error in the resolution loses the S&G category.
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