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Middle School Chorus is harder than Middle School band.

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Started: 12/8/2007 Category: Arts
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jgirl247

Pro

Middle School Chorus is harder than Middle School Band because according to most middle school chorus teachers must teach their student musical theory, history, vocal technique, vocal production, choral technique, expressiveness, dynamics, tempo, musical terms, performance, musical literacy, rhythm, pitch, melody, harmony, score study, and analysis. That is lot to learn compared to what band has to learn. This is multi tasking, tempo, musical terms, rhythm, score study, and analysis. Chorus learns most of these things plus more. Also both must learn good sportsmanship, for they will compete in competitions. Also to become a good chorus student you must have natural born talent, whereas in band, with lots of practice, you can master in about two or three years. Also you may think getting a 100% in chorus is easy, but that is the hardest part. The teacher's usually grade like this:

Sight Singing Tests - 10%
Students will have a sight singing tests. The test will include singing by solfege or numbers and in parts.
Rhythm Tests - 10%
These tests will be given as needed to check that students comprehend basic rhythms.
Nine Weeks Test - 10%
PARTICIPATION - 70%
At the beginning of each nine-week grading period, each student will be given 100 points. This grade is for daily participation.

Demerit points will be deducted as listed on the previous page; for example,

Not participating---------------6 points

Missed dress rehearsal-------------25 points

Missed Formal Performance--------------25 points

So you see it is hard to keep a good grade in chorus. So chorus is hard. Thus chorus is harder than band.
maymay43210

Con

I think that band is harder than chorus because it takes years and years to master an instrument whereas to master the skill of singing it only takes six months to a year. Also, you have to work VERY VERY hard to achieve your full potential in band. You have to practice for at least half an hour EVERY day to achieve your goals. Also, there is usually many different melodies and rythyms going on at one time. In the choral program, there is usually two basically similar melodies and one base melody. That makes it easier to follow than being on your own. In band you also have to be able to multitask to keep track of what your fingers, mind, lips, and eyes are doing all at the same time. You have to be able to play your notes right, hold the right articulation, pay attention to the dynamics, listen to your other members so that you can stay balanced, look at your score, AND pay attention to the director. This makes it very challenging.
There is no way in two or three years of middle school that someone could COMPLETELY master the art of music. So, my point is that you can teach someone to sing fairly decently ALOT quicker and easier than you can teach a person to play a complex instrument such as any of those in band. Also, not everyone can play instruments just as not all people can sing. It takes natural ability to be able play or sing, but if you took two identical people with natural musical "talent" you could teach them to sing ALOT faster than you could teach someone to play an instrument!
You can play different types of music just as you can sing different types of music! You can play jazz, pop, rock, classical, opera, swing, latin just as you can sing them. There are also many more groups than you mentioned in your argument, and even if they were just grouped into those groups, there would be over thousands and thousands in each of those groups!
Also, say you learn to play the saxophone, there are over fifteen different types of saxophones, each unique and very different. For instance, the flute and piccolo have the same fingerings for notes, so someone might say that it would be easy to switch in between the two. But, are they wrong!! In order to play the piccolo you have to have a COMPLETELY different embouchure than the flute.
Also, in chorus all you have to do is change the flow of your air to change notes. In band, you have to move your fingers your mouth AND your air all are the same time. This makes it VERY challenging!
Debate Round No. 1
jgirl247

Pro

I agree, but in chorus you have to also change motion in your lips, mouth, body position, and vocal tone. In chorus you also have to remember your notes and words because you can't bring the music on to the stage. Also in band, as you said, it is hard to change from one instrument to another. That also applies to chorus because if a person is an alto and wants to be a soprano then it takes time to re just. This also goes for bear-tone and tenor. In chorus there is actually about four parts in mixed and about three in women's. So you are alone in your section, like band, you are on your own because you must depend on yourself and not you section to find the notes because if one person is off key then the whole chorus takes the blame. Like in sports, we are a team and a team is only as strong as its weakest link. So band and chorus are close to the same, but chorus is harder because we must be more advanced in memorization, and also be advanced in tones and melodies just like band. So chorus must be harder than band.
maymay43210

Con

maymay43210 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
jgirl247

Pro

jgirl247 forfeited this round.
maymay43210

Con

As you can see, band is MUcH more challenging than chorus. You have to memorize notes and many other techniques! You have to be able to keep in rythym and listen to your fellow members. You have to watch your conductor and your music. You have to listen to everyone aroud you and your instrument. You have to change your airflow in order to stay on pitch, in chorus all you have to do is sit there!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Tubanater 1 year ago
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I think band is harder. In choir, you obviously have to have a voice in order to sing. But you have your voice from when you're a baby, so you have years and years to experiment with your voice and figure out how to hum and sing little things by yourself. In band, we don't have our instruments in out early stages of life. It's like asking a mute person who just now got the ability to make noise to sing. That's what it's like for band when you start. You don't have any previous experience with that instrument. In choir, you have your voice. Since you already know how to talk and make different pitches with your voice, you can work off of that to build up your voice for singing. In band, we start from scratch. We have nothing to build with except our learning ability.

In choir, you have to remember sounds, lyrics, rhythms, and pitches. In band, you gotta remember tone, intonation, note fingerings, sharps/flats/naturals and what it does to the fingering, rhythms, and pitches. If we listen to a song enough times and look over the lyrics, eventually we begin to remember them. In band, there are no lyrics to remember. We don't have that option.

Please yawn. Notice how your throat really opens up. Both band and choir use this in order to make good sounds. Follow these instructions to play and instrument like the tuba or trumpet or some brass instrument at least.

1. Yawn
2. Close your mouth and keep your throat open
3. Buzz your lips, keeping that throat open
4. Don't puff your cheeks
5. Put a constricting circle around your mouth while doing the above
6. Move your tongue in a tOH or a dOH sound to tongue a note
7. Play 8th notes at 160 bpm
8. Now play 16th notes at 160 bpm while doing everything above (save for #7)
9. Please do everything above and remember note fingerings at the same time
10. Don't forget the other ways to play the exact same note, along with the other notes of the staff and their variations

I think band is harder.
Posted by forensics 8 years ago
forensics
smilingsoprano I couldnt agree with you more!
Singing of one of the hardest things
to do but so is playing an instrament,
there is no end to the
hassle it is to get
a good pitch and stay in tune
with everyone around you.
You dont just sit and watch
a conductor.
You must listen to your section as
well as the rest of the group
and concentrate on everything else
including dynamics rhythme tone sound and posture
and if you have to dance,
that makes it even more difficult
Posted by smilingsoprano 8 years ago
smilingsoprano
Choir is NOT simple under any circumstances. See, when a choir sings music that is unison or rhythmically uncomplicated, it is usually because that choir is inexperienced. Therefore, it is hard for the people involved because they have not yet developed their skills. More advanced choirs, on the other hand, do not sing easy music. This is a common misconception. If a choir is truly good, then they will be performing pieces that are just as complicated as a symphonic band piece, AND those pieces have to be memorized. They will still have long rests that require counting, they need to listen to everyone around them, they need to watch the conductor, they have to be on pitch. . . .
Besides which, people in choir do not just sit there and sing. The state of each muscle in your body contributes to your tone, range, and general quality. You have to focus on breathing correctly, blending with the rest of the choir, coming in at the right times, expression and dynamics, and hitting the notes.
Furthermore, on the issue of blending, band instruments are built to blend correctly and compliment each other. Voices are not. It is an incredible physical and mental struggle for a clear, delicate soprano, a brassy, strong alto, and a full, rich bass to find an acceptable blend. Voices are individual, shaped not only be nature but also by the experience of the person involved. Even the vowel sounds must match or it will sound wrong.
It does not only take six months to a year to master singing. The complexity is enormous and each individual must overcome their own physical barriers.
I would like to end by stating that I am also in orchestra, and recognize the difficulties of instruments. I am not saying that singing is harder. I am saying that it is not easier.
Posted by gonovice 8 years ago
gonovice
Choir or chorus whatever you want to call it is simple. band is difficult because of the ability to hold a count and listen to everyone around you and watch your conductor all at once. In choir all you do is watch your teacher and memorize your music. maybe for some people that is a little more difficult.
Posted by forensics 8 years ago
forensics
Ask anyone?
I'm anyone
I'm in both.
Choir is much harder.
You cant really form an opinion
until you have
been or are in both,
they are both demanding but
choir is alot more taxing
Posted by gonovice 8 years ago
gonovice
Band is 10 times harder ask anyone.
Posted by PreacherFred 8 years ago
PreacherFred
Having been in both the glee club and a drum & bugle corps, I think both are equally demanding. However, seems jgirl247 gave up on the debate and therefore I voted for maymay.
Posted by forensics 9 years ago
forensics
Also Audra, you do have to memorize notes and tone and melody, but choir isnt just words, we arent talking, we are singing. So in other words we have rhythme to worry about as well as notes tone and melody. He also worry about harmonizing so we dont clash.
Posted by forensics 9 years ago
forensics
Yes band is very difficult in high school. But I am in the head choir and in the head band. Choir is so much harder due to the fact that you cannot under any circumstances bring your music into a performance, whereas band you may have your music on a stand. Sight reading is much harder in voice because training your voice to hit a certain note is much harder than playing it on a piano or trumpet. Middle C is always going to sound like middle C on a keyboard, as to singing you have to know what it sounds like and be able to hit it. Voice is much harder if you ask me. It takes many many years to train your voice, I have been in voice training for 13 years now and I still have a long way to go, and I took piano for only 2 years and I know alot.

Band is hard, I still have alot to learn, but singing is much much harder
Posted by audraxheartsxyou 9 years ago
audraxheartsxyou
I think band is much harder than choir considering you haven't experienced high schoool yet and it just gets harder.
memorizing words is one thing but memorizing tones and notes and melody is another.
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