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Fenrir
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Middle school Chorus is harder than middle schoolband.

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Started: 12/8/2007 Category: Arts
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jgirl247

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Middle School Chorus is harder than Middle School Band because according to most middle school chorus teachers must teach their student musical theory, history, vocal technique, vocal production, choral technique, expressiveness, dynamics, tempo, musical terms, performance, musical literacy, rhythm, pitch, melody, harmony, score study, and analysis. That is lot to learn compared to what band has to learn. This is multi tasking, tempo, musical terms, rhythm, score study, and analysis. Chorus learns most of these things plus more. Also both must learn good sportsmanship, for they will compete in competitions. Also to become a good chorus student you must have natural born talent, whereas in band, with lots of practice, you can master in about two or three years. Also you may think getting a 100% in chorus is easy, but that is the hardest part. The teacher's usually grade like this:

Sight Singing Tests - 10%
Students will have a sight singing tests. The test will include singing by solfege or numbers and in parts.
Rhythm Tests - 10%
These tests will be given as needed to check that students comprehend basic rhythms.
Nine Weeks Test - 10%
PARTICIPATION - 70%
At the beginning of each nine-week grading period, each student will be given 100 points. This grade is for daily participation.

Demerit points will be deducted as listed on the previous page; for example,

Not participating---------------6 points

Missed dress rehearsal-------------25 points

Missed Formal Performance--------------25 points

So you see it is hard to keep a good grade in chorus. So chorus is hard. Thus chorus is harder than band.
Fenrir

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I'm going to commit a sin and make an assumption: you have not played in a school band. I find it almost impossible to believe that you have and still believe that all that is required is "multi tasking, tempo, musical terms, rhythm, score study, and analysis." To be blunt, this is a gross misunderstatement. So, let's look at each individual topic you suggest is taught in chorus but not band:

musical theory--Simply, musical theory is commonly taught in band as well

history--While not always, history is not uncommon. I have had to write full essays about the history of some of the musical compositions we performed.

vocal technique--While not necessarily vocal, there is considerable technique required to play an instrument. Much more than simply pressing keys to get a certain note, one must focus also on embouchure, a technique which takes years and years to perfect.

vocal production--Producing sound from an instrument is doubtlessly more difficult than producing it vocally. More than just pressing certain keys, one must also focus on having a steady, constant, focused airstream, which can be rather difficult to learn.

choral technique--Band members indeed must also learn to play as a group, balancing out various parts and instruments and whatnot. I don't see how one would think otherwise.

expressiveness--Playing an instrument definitely requires one to be expressive.

dynamics--Not only are dynamics just as important in band, it is much harder to do dynamics well on an instrument. While it may seem that all that would be required is changing air pressure that you produce, you must also account for the change in tone and pitch that will also occur, which means constant adjustment of embouchure.

performance--Bands perform, too. Seriously.

musical literacy--And to be in band you need to know how to read music, as well as understand all the terminology associated.

pitch--Getting a solid pitch is at least as difficult on an instrument. Not only does it require an adjustment of the fingers to press different keys, but a different amount of airflow and, again, embouchure to compensate for pitch and tone alterations.

melody--What else do you think people in band play?

harmony--People in band have to work just as hard on harmony. Especially at a middle school level, it can be more difficult than you think to be playing one thing while the instrument right next to you is playing something else.

Lastly, I don't think that "multitasking" adequately describes the level of difficulty of playing an instrument. Pressing the different keys alone is very challening, as you will often have a single finger being "responsible" for multiple keys, awkward fingerings, coordination, and many remembering alternate fingerings necessary for trills and quickly changing notes.

As for the grading rubrict, I'm not getting a whole lot from that. For one, how hard is to to participate in singing? You pay attention and sing, or you screw around and you don't.
Debate Round No. 1
jgirl247

Pro

I understand your point i agree both acquire skill and talent but we don't just sit around and sing we too learn everything band learns and more. Chorus is a challenging course. At my school most people in band are easily passing, but many people in chorus are failing. You see I'm not saying band isn't challenging I'm just saying that chorus is more challenging. In chorus you have to also change motion in your lips, mouth, body position, and vocal tone. In chorus you also have to remember your notes and words because you can't bring the music on to the stage also if a person is an alto and wants to be a soprano then it takes time to re just. This also goes for bear-tone and tenor. In chorus there is actually about four parts in mixed and about three in women's. So you are alone in your section, like band, you are on your own because you must depend on yourself and not you section to find the notes because if one person is off key then the whole chorus takes the blame. Like in sports, we are a team and a team is only as strong as its weakest link. So band and chorus are close to the same, but chorus is harder because we must be more advanced in memorization, and also be advanced in tones and melodies just like band. So chorus must be harder than band.
Fenrir

Con

At the very most, I will concede the possibility that, in your school, chorus might be harder than band. However, the subject of debate is not limited strictly to your school; and as such, one can not use a single school as the paradigm for the argument.

With regards to memorization, then, it must be admitted that not all middle school choruses require the students to sing without music. And as such, we must take into account schools that have marching bands. These bands will not only often have to play their songs from memory, but march along with the entire group, same foot at the same time with the exact same distance in each step, and sometimes have to form complex formations, all while playing their instruments. And even walking while playing an instrument, regardless of whether or not you must stay equal with your surrounding bandmates, can be very difficult, as you must, though in constant variable motion, keep your instrument in exactly the same spot, or risk going horribly out of tune or missing notes altogether--even the slightest change in positioning can have dramatic effects. Furthermore, it is more difficult to memorize a song on an instrument than vocally. While singing requires memorization of the melody (or harmony, or whichever part), it is not as difficult to think of the note and be able to hit it when compared to an instrument, which has to remember not only which notes to be played but exactly what notes they are for the proper fingering.

Band members also have to change parts, in way of instruments, which is also more difficult than changing vocal parts. Not only must you switch to something that will have sometimes completely different fingerings, but the change in embouchure can be extremely difficult to compensate. Switching from trumpet to flute, for example, is a drastic change that requires considerable time to readjust, regardless of skill level. Also, switching between instruments may result in a change of clef, which means that respective notes will be in different places on the staff. Additionally, it sometimes occurs that one must play a part on an instrument other than it was intended for--ie, playing a clarinet part on flute--which means that the student will have to transpose the notes while playing, a task that I can assure you, from personal experience, is extremely difficult.

There are also many different sections within a band; at the very least, each instrument represents its own section, having different parts from the others, though even these may be broken down into two or three other sections, with a single instrument group having different parts within itself.

(Additionally, for your reference, it's "baritone," not "bear-tone")
Debate Round No. 2
jgirl247

Pro

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Fenrir

Con

Well, I dont really have any more to say, except that I asked a good number of people who have been in both band and chorus, and they all agreed that band was much harder.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by HottieAJ2008 9 years ago
HottieAJ2008
good point, but still not everyone is dedicated enough or made to play an insturment, at the same time, everyone can sing as well they just have to be trained, either way it gose both are very complexed, i say band is harder, i mean think about it we have to march, play, and do diffrent things on a marching field at the same time, as well as other things thats really hard to do that we do that u cant do in a chior..just think on that
Posted by forensics 9 years ago
forensics
"u have to actually read notes and sight read and understand rhthems were so in chior, all you do is sing and u can do that by ear or not so band is definatly harder"
You really think we dont have to do that? When first singing a song you are sight reading it and you cant just listen to the other people around you if they dont know it. You must know dynamics have a background in music and be able to produce a sound that is acceptible to human ears.
While playing an instrament it is made to sound nice, yes i know you must know how to use it, I am not saying band isnt hard, I'm saying that choir is harder because we must do everything the band does, but more because this is a musical instrament that isnt easily trained and/or made.
Anyone can learn to play the violin, but not everyone can sing.
Posted by HottieAJ2008 9 years ago
HottieAJ2008
well im in band now and will be next year in college, and i kno band takes alot of time and dedication and is harder then chior because u have to actually read notes and sight read and understand rhthems were so in chior, all you do is sing and u can do that by ear or not so band is definatly harder! THANKS!
Posted by Voltaire2.0 9 years ago
Voltaire2.0
Well said, Fenrir. I was in both band an chorus, many moons ago. I agree that chorus is more difficult than is generally credited; band was much more difficult, for the points that you raised.
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