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Mike Huckabee will win the GOP nomination for President in 2008

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Started: 12/12/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jakehudspeth

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First off, Huckabee will get the nomination because he will carry Iowa
along with most of the South. He will carry the South because he's from Arkansas. Huckabee will also get and is currently getting the support of the conservative evangelicals. Although Mitt Romney is playing down his faith, it ultimatley hurt him in the end.
nrw

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He says Huckabee will carry Iowa and the south.

First, the recent jump in polls is across the board for the GOP - except for Mitt Romney. Perhaps this is because of the failure of his speech due to the inevitable comparison to the JFK speech.
The point is, the GOP race is extremely close - everyone got a jump in Iowa - Huckabee is getting more attention now because the race is even closer - as are all the candidates. There is no one far in the lead. Huckabee's jump is not from a new wave of supporters - the polls reflects the new closeness of the race.
Also, just because Huckabee has a slight edge now in Iowa doesn't mean he will actually win it, nor does it mean that it will carry over to the south. Although voting is affected by other state's voting, Iowa's voting is pretty independent of the south. Iowa is not in the south.

Now the "Huckabee's from Arkansas" argument.

On Nightly News, NBC's Lisa Myers looked into Huckabee's ethics record, especially when it came to taking gifts. "There's an old saying that it's better to give than to receive," Myers said. "But as governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee seemed to like receiving -- a lot." More Myers: "All the gifts were legal. But over the years, the state ethics commission admonished Huckabee five times for failing to report gifts and for failing to report thousands he paid himself and his family from campaign funds."

Information about Huckabee in Arkansas is starting to come out, due to the increased attention. This will make his reputation fall in Arkansas, and if that state is so important to the south as you claim it is, this demising reputation will also affect the rest of the south.

Next, he says Huckabee "is currently getting the support of the conservative evangelicals."

The Los Angeles Times had a report from earlier this week about how home-schoolers are rallying behind Huckabee. "Huckabee's campaign won't talk much about the home-schooling contingent, which is largely made up of conservative Christians. The staff is weary -- and wary -- of stories that make it seem as though their candidate, an ordained Southern Baptist preacher, relies exclusively on votes and volunteers from the religious right. ‘All I've heard the last week is pastors, pastors, pastors, evangelicals, evangelicals, evangelicals,' said Eric Woolson, who runs the Iowa campaign.

Huckabee has the support of the Christian right, fine. But, this will not get him the GOP nomination. The republicans know, and the country knows, that the right faces an uphill battle against the democratic party because the republicans get blamed for Bush's decisions in office along with him. Because the republicans know this, the GOP will nominate the candidate that has the best chance of defeating the Democrats. The GOP will want to win over moderates, not secure its base with the Christian right - they will always vote conservative. The right knows this, and the nomination will not be won by someone that cannot win over moderates nor beat the democrats.

Next, he says Romney's playing down of his faith will hurt him.

Well, first, Romney really isn't "playing down" his faith. Romney is trying to say that his faith should not affect the conservative vote for him as a presidential candidate.

More importantly, fine, it might hurt Romney, but Huckabee's "playing up" of his faith will hurt him as well, and probably worse, because all it does is solidify the votes he's already going to get. His focus on religion will cause him to lose moderates, and those who deliberately do not let religion affect their vote, and those who are of other religious divisions and do let religion affect their vote.

Huckabee is a little too focused on religion - he very openly talks about how he "doesn't believe in evolution." Things like that will cause him to lose the crucial vote within the Republican party.
Debate Round No. 1
jakehudspeth

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jakehudspeth forfeited this round.
nrw

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This round was forfeited because this debater's opponent did not post their argument within the allotted time.

(Time to vote, I guess) ;-)
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Ryuken1925 9 years ago
Ryuken1925
Huckabee might win the Republican nomination, but he will not carry Arkansas in the general election. Provided Hillary is the nominee, Bill will carry the state for her. Too many people owe to much to the Clinton's in AR for the state to support Huckabee. The state was plagued with lawsuits because the education system was unconstitutionally funded the entire time he was in office - he can't be an education President.

He encouraged parole board members to release Mr. Dumond and Mr. Dumond offended again - he can't be your "touch on crime" President.

In 2004 he narrowly defeated a female Democrat that was running and she had no $. If her party had rallied behind her he would have been defeated.

Further, Huckbee depleated the Governor's emergency fund just days before leaving office by buying band instruments for some organization. Very soon after he left office south Arkansas suffered a devastated tornoado that paralyzed several communities. The newly elected Governor acted quickly and was going to use his emergency fund only to find it depeleated only days before - Huckabee can't be your "fiscally responsible" President.

Lastly, he raised taxes as a Republican Governor - no independent is going to go for that.

Thanks!
Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
Huckabee is a liberal media creation. He is hated by the business community because he's a high-tax liberal. He's also a theocrat. If Ron Paul is unable to secure the nomination, then I do hope it is Huckabee, because his nomination would ruin the Republican Party once and for all. If the GOP turns its back on Ron Paul, then it deserves to die a painful death, and will.
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
thank you, just checking :-)
Posted by MarineCorpsConservative 9 years ago
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It is not even time to vote yet. I am waiting for all the issues to be brought to the table.
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
MarineCorpsConservative.

I respect your opinion, but you should vote on this topic based on who did the better debating, not which candidate you support.
Posted by MarineCorpsConservative 9 years ago
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I agree. Huckabee will get the nomination. I am all for that.
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