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Master-MOose
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Military Servicewomen and Men deserve more respect than average people even if they choose to enlist

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Started: 4/23/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DominicGrossi

Con

I don't think that military service people deserve more respect than anyone else if they chose to enlist. They chose to enlist, often times because they didn't get accepted into college or get a scholarship, or because they simply feel they need the discipline. I don't mean to say that ALL service people are stupid or can't afford college, but what I am getting at is that the military as an institution targets poorer areas to recruit in, typically.

I feel that 1). Soldiers by choice who then feel entitled to my respect and admiration are narcissists of one of the highest degrees, and in fact deserve less. Quite arguably, U.S. foreign affairs in the last half of the 20th century have spawned a lot of the hate that we are experiencing now with terror attacks. It should be noted that the violence through out the middle east and U.S. specific terrorist attacks are much more complex, but they despise the United States for a reason. If anyone, supporting the military supports future jihadists, and only fuels the hate that will put our children at risk. Anyone who would support the military by becoming a part of it isn't deserving of my respect.

2) the tax dollars spent to give soldiers education is awesome, but should also be the standard for more Americans so that we can have a better educated populace. There are plenty of good arguments against this claim, such that the education wouldn't "mean" anything economically. There may be a little truth to that, but I feel that an education could go a long way for anyone, and soldiers shouldn't be the only people who enjoy the privilege of a good, free education.

3) They chose the job! This point alone is all that I really need, I feel. Soldiers these days don't get forced to enlist, they choose. Many times I feel that they choose for selfish reasons because the United States military isn't doing much "good". The military is called the military because it is a force for violence, and while many service people have non--combat oriented roles, those roles still aid the violence of military operations. People shouldn't have to kill each other to make a change.
Master-MOose

Pro

I think that military people that sign up and go over seas deserve a little more respect they are putting there lives on the line so that we may live in the U.S. Why we stay here and drink coffee and eat food with our friends.. You say that the U.S foreign affairs in the last of the 20th century spawned a lot of hate there will always be someone hating us we are the country that does not allow the world to be ruled by a mad man like Hitler. If we did not join those's wars the U.S would be nothing today and we tried to stay out of those wars for as long as we could. If we stayed out of the middle east completely groups like ISIS would have there own countries.

When people who join the military it is a common mistake for people to think that they don't learn any thing there. That's not true at all they teach is to kill that is very wrong in fact. The military is actually a collage it's a lot harder than a normal collage too. Not very many people that go out of the military go to collage because they have done collage all ready if that makes since. Exactly they chose the job I think we owe then a little respect they have to go through a lot! Like having to kill little kids and women with bombs strapped to there chests. They have to deal with a lot of Stress, depression and watch there fellow friends die in front of them.
Debate Round No. 1
DominicGrossi

Con

Many service people have depression long before they enter the armed services, and many join the armed services because they feel it is their only choice. The military offers them such lucrative payments for being kids right out of high school. $80,000 towards your college, on top of base pay the moment you sign up.

As for foreign policy, if we continue to fight everyone else's battles, we'll bleed our own country dry, and the world will never become self supporting or unified. ISIS spawned from foreign aggression, and it is a problem best left to those who understand Islam, and who are affected by it directly. Fiscally, spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year to destroy is not good foreign policy. If we truly want to help other nations we should be spending that money building educational facilities, and investing in foreign economies. Often times poverty spawns violence, and if the United States truly wants to help third world countries, it should be investing more in their infrastructure and economies, that way we build peaceful relationships and leave little room for violent upheaval.

Many military personnel DO NOT HAVE combat roles, however each role in the military is geared towards waging war and creating violence. There is bravery in facing your enemy, but not if that means pushing a button and killing innocent bystanders just to kill a few terrorists spawned from prior violence the U.S. reaped in foreign nations. Many soldiers don't join from ideals, they join because of the benefits they get from enlisting, and if those benefits were not there then recruitment figures would plummet.

The cost of war is expensive, but the lasting costs after are even more expensive. Combat veterans have served their country and have gotten us through many trying times. Many fought in the second World War, and others drafted. Many suffer lasting, life-long injuries that pose a burden on the American public. It would be wrong to deny veterans benefits, but we can reduce the future burden of retired veterans by shrinking the military today.

The United States Defense expenditures amount for well over half the total annual spending. If this were shrunk in half, we could make education more affordable for all Americans, so that more American citizens could become productive members of our society, rather than violent, shell-shocked or depressed. I don't think anyone should have to risk their lives to have an opportunity at a good education.
Master-MOose

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
DominicGrossi

Con

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Master-MOose

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Spaztech 2 years ago
Spaztech
The military is a tool of the political system (government), the personal in the military do not chose their missions and should not be held responsible for the political and social fallout of the missions. All military personal at some point swore to do a job for this country that job includes laying down their life if need be, for that fact alone they deserve respect.
Posted by DI0GENES 2 years ago
DI0GENES
Allow me to translate cons argument. Con is probably a gutless coward, who would never enlist. If there was a draft, I believe it would be safe to say that he would do anything to avoid it. He feels inadequate because of this, so he's trying to feel better about himself by denigrating those who do serve. What a pathetic little waste of sperm.
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