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mdc32
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Imperfiect
Con (against)
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MiniDebate #1 (Death Penalty)

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Imperfiect
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/27/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,157 times Debate No: 64046
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mdc32

Pro

This is a MiniDebate. 500 characters only.

Rules
DO NOT ACCEPT THIS. IT SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
Leave a topic in comments. I will choose who gets it.
Voters will not give points for S&G because of the 500 char max, unless one person FFs and voter is awarding all points to other person.
Source links can be shortened w/ a service like https://goo.gl......, but don't post huge text docs on another site to get around the 500 max.

R1 acceptance, R2 opening, R3 rebuttals. That's it.
Imperfiect

Con

Best of luck, opponent. :)
Debate Round No. 1
mdc32

Pro

I am arguing that the death penalty(DP) is OK.

DP is not immoral as it prevents more murder. Criminals would likely relapse.

DP is better than life sentences. http://goo.gl... and http://goo.gl... show that many criminals are released on parole, even those w/ life sentences. They are useless because of this.

DP is not murder. Murder = http://goo.gl.... B/C DP is not illegal, it is not murder.

DP has been ruled constitutional, as seen at http://goo.gl.... Supreme Court ruled it legal.
Imperfiect

Con

All are innocent until proven guilty; it is a Human Right. http://pi.vu...
False conviction is impossible to stop regardless of Forensics technology.
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Combine these to you see that with DP innocents would be killed prematurely whereas they would have lived to see their freedom had they not been killed.

Taking 1 innocent's life is invaluably wrong to do, imprisoning live cirminals is not remotely so.

DP does not solve Parole policy issues.
Debate Round No. 2
mdc32

Pro

C states that all are innocent until proven guilty. DP is still OK, as it would be for those we have proven guilty as much as we can.

C says false conviction is always a problem. This doesn't affect the DP as innocents would be punished anyway.

Killing an innocent is wrong, like C says. From my args in R1, DP would save more innocents than it kills.

C talks about parole issues. This is unrelated to everything, so this is invalid or he was trying to rebut my round, a violation of the rules.

Vote Pro!
Imperfiect

Con

P states DP =/= Murder; I nullify this as the ones who make rules can alter them to immoral benefit to themselves.

P's entire attack on life sentence was parole. This is now moot.

P agrees killing an innocent is wrong, DP saves no one more than imprisonment.

DP risks killing inn. but non-DP has zero lack of saving inn.

P's only attack is parole lets Mur. loose; This is parole issue, DP is not required.

P doesn't explain DP for rapists. http://pi.vu...

I raise Par. in R2 to give P chance to defend.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mdc32 2 years ago
mdc32
@moneystacker I specifically said S&G doesn't count, as it's only 500 characters.
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
Sort out parole leniency, don't resort to DP.
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
I know. It can't be murder because the damn people who make the rules are using it.

It's only murder if it's against the rules.
Posted by mdc32 2 years ago
mdc32
Also DP is not always murder. DP, in the majority of the US at least, is legal, so it isn't murder. This is undisputable. There is literally no argument that can defeat this.
Posted by mdc32 2 years ago
mdc32
That's what my parole argument is about! Yes, they are imprisoned - temporarily, at least - but if they are let out of jail, they have a chance at committing more crimes. You apparently don't address this; you just say that my argument is "moot." If we use DP, then they have absolutely no chance of killing anyone else.
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
yet it saves 0 lives. i they were imprisoned they can't kill civilians anyway
Posted by mdc32 2 years ago
mdc32
Then your source is completely useless, as they were charged for murder as well as sexual assault, and the law in India permits death penalty after two sexual assault cases where they are guilty.
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
i attacked ur r2 anyway
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
dude that's why i raise the parole thing in r2 so you'd have chance to defend it
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
What am i supposed to do leave your r2 unrebutted? that's nonsense.
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Vote Placed by moneystacker 2 years ago
moneystacker
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Reasons for voting decision: I agreed with both sides after debate and both had convincing arguments worth considering, also since a small debate they couldn't get to much in but yeah mostly con got it due to better sources and grammar.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: con narrowly wins as he points out that people can change the rules; and the pro didn't mention rapists. In addition, pro heavily attacked parole, but L.S. without parole....then con has no negative impacts
Vote Placed by Zanomi3 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Tough vote here... Short rounds, which made things interesting. As stated, Spelling and Grammar remains a tie, as well as Sources because they both used valid sources. It may be a bit of a cop out, but after reading through the debate several times (didn't take long) I can't decide who has better arguments. Both present valid claims, as well as refute the other persons claims. Conduct, however, is where I give my only points. Unfortunately, Con does make a final argument in the final round, going against the rules of "rebuttals only" in Round 3. This is why I am giving this point. Also, Con refutes Pro's rebuttals, something that Pro is not able to do; Pro does not state this in the rules, however, so conduct is strictly because of the argument made in the final round.