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Farooq
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Morty
Con (against)
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17 Points

Minimum wage should be a municipal issue.

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Started: 2/14/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Farooq

Pro

Currently, in my country at least, the level of minimum wage is determined by provincial legislatures, and I belive it is similiar in the United States as well. Yet does this really make sense? Provinces, states, and nations can be very large entities, and no one can really argue that West Vancouver or Manhaatten have the the same sort of living expenses as those in the BC interior or Upstate New York? Rather it should be looked at on a more local scale, with living expense of the exact region taking precendence over a broad average. There is no need for criminality in labour oridnaces- municipal fines should be adequante in enforcing the rules set by the City or County.
Morty

Con

A very interesting topic, thank you for bringing it up.

First and foremost, I do not believe the minimum wage should be an issue at any level. Minimum wage laws are unemployment laws that attack the worst off in society by setting the bar for employment too high for them to reach. Wages are determined by the marginal revenue product of the worker (that is, how much he contributes) and so those with a product less than the minimum wage will not be employed. Without minimum wage laws, anyone could be employed that wanted to be, it would simply be an issue of how much they are willing to work for.

Second, putting minimum wage laws in the hands of local governments would cause a great deal of confusion. Just think if sales taxes were dependent on local laws, it would be extremely hard for anyone to tell how much of their price was in taxes. Likewise, with local minimum wage laws, people would not know what to expect regarding their wages.

Third, those this applies to state and federal government as well, from where does the local government have the authority to set minimum wages? What gives them the right to infringe on freedom of contract and tell me what I can and can't trade my labor for? Is the local government claiming ownership over my labor? They must be, because they are making restrictions on how it can be sold.

Fourth, there is no advantage to giving this power to local governments. My opponent states that they can individualized based on local living standards. But even within municipalities differences exist. Really, if we are to use that argument, we should reduce minimum wage laws to neighborhoods. But even then, to each household. And finally down to the individuals themselves, thus destroying the minimum wage law. Every single individual has a different cost of living, dependent on their individual preferences, habits, expectations, etc. The logical conclusion of the idea that smaller authorities can better decide the correct minimum wage is that each individual decides and there is no minimum wage imposed on anyone.
Debate Round No. 1
Farooq

Pro

First of all you can put aside whether or not you support minimum wage- this is not what this this debate is about. But rather, if you read the topic you will note that this debate is regarding the jurisdiction of where minimum wage amending/making/deleting should be under. I am arguing that it should be local county or city gov'ts and you are arguing on behalf of the jurisdiction of larger provincial or federal governments. This makes much of you long argument moot, but I will still address the relevant points you made.

You however seem to think individuals should address minimum wage- but this is real just the absence of minimum wgae, a directive decided by som esort of government.

Second of all, your allegation that more local powers in confusing. To a degree this is true, but it also entails more local appropriate discretion. The Provinces and Ottawa both put a sales tax on us for example, but this is because this tax issue directly affects their ability to perform the tasks the citizenry has granted them. However minimum wage is a labour issue that pertains to addressing worker exploitation but increases unemployment, it is also a very local issue because it relates to living expenses. Just because the average Vancouverite's wage is higher than the average Chilliwackian's wage doesn't mean Chillwiackians don't live more luxuriously than their urban neighbours. You wouldn't make parking fees the same in Manhattan as you would in Providence, would you?
Morty

Con

You ignore your own logic. If we need to municipalize this issue because of differences in costs of living, then why shouldn't it be reduced to a neighborhood issue? Why not a single street? A single household? An individual? Everyone has a different "cost of living," if you make the argument that a provincial/state government cannot make these decisions because cost of living varies, then you should carry that through to municipalities.

If I am arguing on behalf of provincial/state/federal government's right to jurisdiction over the minimum wage, then I'll concede now. I was under the impression that I was only arguing against minimum wage being a municipality issue.
Debate Round No. 2
Farooq

Pro

Yes you were arguing against municipal governments having sovereingty to decide whether what minimum wage should be, or should not be. Obviosuly some sort of government decides how society should approach this issue, the question is who.
Morty

Con

Morty forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Advocate123 9 years ago
Advocate123
This is what America had before round 1934. It was purely federalism where the States decided and there was no federal minimum wage.
Posted by GaryBacon 9 years ago
GaryBacon
Your argument seems to make sense Farooq. I am inclined to agree.
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