Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Grand Admiral Thrawn) Thrawn Triliogy Pro, Vs Ender Wiggin (Con) Ender's Game
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I don't particularly know who Admiral yawn is but I'm sure that he is a great commander. but has he been, from birth, tested to see if he can join an extremely elite space training facility and program, did he, within his first few weeks absolutely blitz the games that trainees have been struggling with for years. Does he have an evil older brother that, again, from birth had been tormenting him to the point where his life motto is not to scare people off, but to hurt them so much that they would not even try to mess with him again.
From the age of seven Ender was trained ruthlessly in a zero gravity space battle simulator where throughout the book he never drops below the top ten best players on the chart. he gets so good, that the chairmen give his own army several years before it is meant to happen. he then proceeded to graduate three or four years before it was due.
I know that I have not actually put an argument forward that challenges Mitth'raw'nuruodo yet but this round was to put forward the sheer brilliance that is Ender Wiggin, and the battle strategies that allowed him to destroy an entire race before he even turned fifteen.
I will eagerly await your challenge, and will have fun responding
Good arguments, however I insist that Grand Admiral Thrawn is superior, because Ender has too many psychological scars and issues to command with his maxium potential. Thrawn also destroyed a entire race, but guess what? That was a failure for him, as he had a record of never needing to commit genocide to win. Normally he could fight and conquer entire planets without eradicating him. As well, Thrawn is older, and has more experience. He has had to struggle for his rank, as he was an alien in a speciest organization. Also, he has demonstrated the ability to formulate complex battle strategies simply from looking at their artwork, allowing him to completely understand their species psychology.
"Thrawn believed that one could understand the psychological and tactical limitations of one's adversaries through the examination of their art, and thus exploit their weaknesses. This conviction was often proven correct since his vast knowledge and obsession with the analytical study of art resulted in almost infallible strategic victories over nearly every opponent Thrawn engaged." http://starwars.wikia.com...'raw'nuruodo
Ender's mental scars and mental issues are the reason he is able to understand his opponents, not just on a skin deep level but on a level that allows the hive queens and the buggers to pull an entity from outside of all known universes and link it with his mind. this entity is called Jane. May I point out that jane, one of Ender's best friends, has the ability to move objects inside of this second dimension she was made in, and move them back to any spot in the current universe. By the way, this happens instantaneously. Jane is created at the end of book one but we only learn what she is in the second book, speaker for the dead.
with this ability, Ender could avoid your gunfire and little doctor by just leaving the universe and opening fire from any point in space he chooses.
you say that thrawn experienced genocide as a failure, as if Ender didn't. His guilt was so large in his mind, that he carried the last remaining hive queen over several galaxies and as a result, the hive queens and buggers now have their own planet and have a new species, the pequinos, as allies. this race has the ability to create any instruments or tools necessary to help the bugger workers build as many ships and weapons as possible.
the buggers also have the ability of a hive mind, so with one bugger on each ship and a hive queen in contact with ender there would be instantaneous transmission of information, with his allies, Ender would be far superior to Thrawn on that level
well done for giving me a challenging first debate
my next point carries on from my previous paragraph. Only the best of the best get selected for battle school, and Ender was accepted into said school as a genius. The fact that among so much talent, seven year old Ender was singled out as a genius in a school filled with military excellence, is pretty amazing.
i have thoroughly enjoyed this debate so please challenge me mentally again next round
http://starwars.wikia.com... for more details on Thrawn's feats.
I do not deny that Thrawn is a great commander and if it was possible I would love to see them go up against each other in a galactic battle, you have caused me to entirely rethink my view on who would win in this battle. But after much though i must insist that Ender wiggin would win. Ender was given his own army, an army of seven year olds, I have mentioned this before in my other paragraphs. Think about any child under ten that you know, think of how stubborn, childish, homesick, and downright annoying they are. He was put in charge of an army of them and you know what, he inspired them to think up new ways to destroy a system that was designed to break people. They absolutely devastated the way the game was changed, just out of loyalty to Ender. Thrawn may have NEARLY overthrown a fledgling government, but Ender overthrew a system designed to destroy spirits, he stopped a planet being destroyed, he destroyed a planet, he UNITED a planet and although outside influence, his allies would follow him not blindly, but loyally into battle. I'm also sure that the results he received from each campaign were the best results possible under the circumstances.
in your last argument you stated "as goes the law that the heroes must win", what is Ender but a hero.
I'm honored to be challenged mentally as I have been by this debate and I am very sad that it is coming to a close,
i have saved my trump card until the last round but I am not sure if it within the rules,
please give me a fun challenge in the last round and I hope that we can debate again
in conclusion I have no other choice but to insist that Ender would win on the fact that he is ruthless, commands loyalty and let's face it he is the demonstration of sheer brilliance.
thank you for such a wonderful and challenging debate and i am really sad that it is over
may the best 16 year old win
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