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Modern Day Jews are not the real Jews

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TheWORDisLIFE

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Modern Day Jews in Israel today, are not the real Jews, according to the Bible.

Using the Bible, I will prove that the individuals calling themselves Jews in Israel today, are not the Jews that the Bible makes reference to.

Rules:

1. CON must believe in The Most High God, Jesus (if you don't believe in Jesus, that's fine, I can use the Old Covenant to prove my case), and believe in the Bible

2. CON must be either a Jew-ish or Christian/Catholic in order to accept this debate

3. CON must only use the Bible as evidence/reference

4. CON cannot change the topic of the debate; must stay on topic

If CON does not follow any of the statues stated, he or she will automatically lose this debate.

R1 - Acceptance and agreement to rules stated

R2- Arguments/Refute

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aloysious

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Thank you for changing the rules to accommodate me TheWORDisLIFE.

I agree to the rules, and pray that the time we spend here will be edifying.

The LORD Jesus bless thee, and keep thee.
Debate Round No. 1
TheWORDisLIFE

Pro

You are certainly welcome aloysious and thank you for accepting.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68 shows all the curses the Israelites have been through and continue to go through today for breaking God’s Laws. The Native Americans, Blacks and Latinos make up the 12 tribes of Israel today. Because of the character limit, I’m going to point out the obvious curses, which are also recorded in History. Now, I’d also like to say that I’m not trying to stir up bitterness but rather a desire for truth.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68, the history that happened to the Israelites from the conquest of the Americas in 1492 until the slave trade, and the curses that repeated, even today, as a sign unto us.

Deuteronomy 28:15:

“But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:”

Deuteronomy 28:16:

“Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.”

“cursed shalt thou be in the city” meaning whatever city the Israelites are located in we would be cursed (ghettoes, unemployed etc…); whether it be New York City or the city of Compton. “Cursed in the field” meaning the Israelites were forced to work in the cotton and sugar fields.

Deuteronomy 28:17:

“Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.”

Meaning our savings and businesses would suffer as a nation.

Deuteronomy 28:29:

“And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.”

Deuteronomy 28:30:

“Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.”

This scripture explains how the Spanish and Italian explorers raped the wives of the so-called Blacks and Native Americans, that's how the Latinos come into the mix. When the scripture says:” thou shalt build a house and shall not dwell therein” it is making reference to the land and home of the native people being taken away; and then being forced to live on reservations.

Deuteronomy 28:31 “Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine donkey shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.”

This is a prophecy of the cattle population being practically wiped out by the European settlers.

Deuteronomy 28:32:

“Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and [there shall be] no might in thine hand.”

Prophecies of our children being taken from us and mis-educated.

Deuteronomy 28:37 “And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword; among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.”

A proverb is a name identifying you with your slave owner such as when Daniel was renamed “Belteshazar” in Daniel 1:7 A byword is referring to us being called outside of our national name and given a false label/nationality i.e. ” Gentiles, Negroes, Blacks, African Americans, Hispanics, Latinos and Native Indians “.

Deuteronomy 28:43 “The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.”

This verse explains how the so called Blacks and Latinos are below everyone else. We get the worst health care, jobs, etc. we are below every other nation and we get the left overs of everything.

Deuteronomy 28:44 “He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.”

This is a prophecy of the other nations being over us as far as status and lending to us (mortgage, car loans etc). For example when you examine the black and Hispanic communities all the other nations (Chinese, Italians, Arabs etc) have their businesses set up there. You will never see a black or Hispanic business in china town or little Italy.

Deuteronomy 28:46:

“And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.”

These curses shall be on us; the people of God for a sign that we are the rebellious Children of Israel. We wonder why we have suffered these curses which are on us and our children forever.

Deuteronomy 28:48:

“Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.”

This is a prophecy of the Israelites serving captivity and being totally dependent on their enemies for everything. Take a look at the “yoke of iron” that the Israelites were forced to wear upon their necks during slavery.

Deuteronomy 28:49:

“The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;”

The symbol of Spain was the eagle; which can be seen on their old flags.

Deuteronomy 28:50:

“A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:”

This occurred during the conquest of the Americas when explorers such as Ponce De Leon, Columbus, Amerigo Vespucci, Pizarro and Hernan Cortez came here between the 1400 -1500’s.

Deuteronomy 28:61:

“Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.”

Prophecies of AIDS, CANCER, DIABETES and all kinds of diseases infecting our communities at an alarming rate. During the 1400’s the smallpox disease almost wiped out the indigenous population.

Deuteronomy 28:64:

“And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.”

Spanish conquerors forced our people to accept a European Christ under the guise of “Christianity” which neither our forefathers nor we have ever known. Now we believe and teach those lies wholeheartedly.


Note: 1st Maccabees 3:48: “and laid open the book of the law, wherein the heathen had sought to paint the likeness of their images.”

Proving the Greeks had taken the Bible and painted the prophets/Israelites -white. This can clearly be seen in many Bibles today.

Deuteronomy 28:68:

“And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.” (meaning no man will save us read verse 29).

The word “Egypt” means bondage read Exodus 20:2. This verse prophesied of the Israelites coming to America on cargo slave ships.

The Native Indians that were already here were also taken to Spain on ships and other parts of Europe as slaves.

This scripture also prophesied the Israelites being “sold unto their enemies for bondmen and bondwomen” in one of many slave markets as mentioned in verse 68.

aloysious

Con

Are you saying that none of the 12 tribes of Israel were white?

I don't understand where you're going with your reasoning.

I thought we were talking about Israel...?

How does talking about Native Americans, blacks and Latinos prove they are part of the twelve tribes of Israel?

And how do you suppose this would prove the modern day Israelis aren't related to Isaac?
Debate Round No. 2
TheWORDisLIFE

Pro

Are you saying that none of the 12 tribes of Israel were white?

That is what the Bible is saying. See because if the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel today were the true Jews, why are they at war? The Bible tells us that when the Israelites return to their land, they will not learn about war anymore, i.e., they will not be at war anymore with any other nation. Israel today is at war with many nations.

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

They would also have slaves.

Isaiah 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Also, when you read Revaltions 2:9 and 3:9 in the New Covenant, Christ calls those Jews calling them selves Jews, the Synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I don't understand where you're going with your reasoning.

So Christ even says that those are not the real Jews.

I thought we were talking about Israel...?

If I recall correctly you said you wanted to debate the Jews in Israel being the real Jews.

From the comments

CON: I agree that what's happening in Israel is not the fulfillment of prophecy.

I agree that Israel will be judged, and made "most desolate." Ez. 33:38-29...

I'd be willing to debate your first point.

PRO: @aloysious

My first point about the Jews in Israel today not being the real Jews?

CON: Yes, but only that point.

PRO: Sure, I'll go ahead and change it.

How does talking about Native Americans, blacks and Latinos prove they are part of the twelve tribes of Israel?

Because they fit the curses God put them through. The slavery of the Israelites in the Bible, is also recorded in History. The Spainards/Italians raped the so called "Blacks and Native Americans", that's how the Latin race is part of the 12 Tribes, but not all are Israelites. It depends on what the fathers nationallity is.

Numbers 1:18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.

Pedigree is another name for blood line. The males hold the seed or sperm and without a males seed a woman cannot produce a child. The seed is the root of the offspring, therefore, God tells us that we are what our fathers are. So if a Latino/Latina has a Latin mother but a Chinese father, they are not Israel, they are Chinese, otherwise known as a heathen. If a "Black" man/woman has a "Black or Native American" father, they are what their father is. It all depends on what the fathers nationality is.

These are the nations that took us captive.

THE YEARS ARE ONLY APPROXIMATES:

EGYPT The Sudanese, Watusis & Zulus – 400 years from 1846 – 1446 B.C. read Genesis 15:13.

CUSHITES OF MESOPOTAMIA (so called Ethiopians) 8 years read Judges 3:3-10.

MOAB so called Chinese – 18 years read Judges 3:12-14.

CANAANITES (so called South Africans) 20 years read Judges 4:2-3.

MIDIANITES (so called Arabs) 7 years read Judges 6:1.

AMMONITES (so called Japanese) 18 years read Judges 10:6-8,11, 12.

PHILISTINES (so called Africans) Watusis & Zulus – 40 years Judges 13:1.

ASSYRIANS (so called Kurbs) 722 – 606 B.C. II Kings 15:29, 17:5-6, & 18:9-12.

BABYLONIANS (so called Ethiopians) 70 years 606 – 536 B.C. read Jeremiah 25:9-14, Jeremiah chapter 39, Psalms chapter 137 (586 B.C.)

PERSIANS / MEDES Persians – East Indians, Medes – Japhetic Ex.Hawaiians, Filipinos, Indonesians, Australian Aborigines etc. 203 years 536 – 333 B.C.

GREEKS (Edomites, so called white people) 267 years 333 – 66 B.C.

ROMANS (Edomites, so called white people) 259 years 66 B.C. – 193 A.D. read Daniel chapter 7, Matthew 2:1-4, Luke 3:1, from 193 A.D. until approximately 1453 A.D

AFRICANS & ARABS 1500 – 1600 A.D. read Joel 3:1-8 King Dahomey & Almoravides of the Mali Empire in Timbuktu.

AMERICA (Edomites, so called white people) 1600 / 1776 A.D. to present.


And how do you suppose this would prove the modern day Israelis aren't related to Isaac?

Because everyone in Biblical times was dark skinned.

If you read the creation of Adam in Genesis 2:7 it tells you metaphorically the color of Adam.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What color is the dust of the ground? It's brown and the deeper you dig in the soil it turns darker; then it turns light, like a yellow color.

Colored people can produce dark shades of brown to light shades of brown and even albino children. Caucasians can only produce Cacuasian children, that is unless if the woman had an affair with a dark skinned man.

The birth of Esau and Jacob is where the "white" race comes in.

Genesis 25:25
And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

What group of people today have red skin? The "Caucasian" race. Caucasians turn red in the sun, in the winter, when they get angry, etc... Red necks are definetly descendants of Esau.

Esau/Edom is the father of the "white" race.

Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
Notice how Jacobs skin color wasn't mentioned, it's because he looked like everyone else.


The Jew-ish that reside in Israel today are Khazar Edomites, meaning they come from the lineage of Esau. That is the reason why they, those calling them selves Jews, hate "black" people; they know who we are, and they are trying to kick out a few of the "blacks" that have went back to Isarel.

Think about this also. Why in the world would those so called "Jews" in Israel today, suck on a baby boys penis? They say it's a tradition or ritual, but no where in the Bible do you read about God telling the Israelites to suck on a baby boy's penis.

So, those calling themselves Jews in Israel, are not the Biblical Israelites.
aloysious

Con

Are you saying that none of the 12 tribes of Israel were white?

"That is what the Bible is saying."

Please show me the verse that says none of the twelve tribes of Israel were white.

"See because if the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel today were the true Jews..."

If the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel aren't the true Jews... why do you call them Jews?

"why are they at war? The Bible tells us that when the Israelites return to their land, they will not learn about war anymore, i.e., they will not be at war anymore with any other nation. Israel today is at war with many nations."

All of the people who call themselves Jews in Israel aren't at war.

"They would also have slaves.

Isaiah 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors."

Everybody in the verse you posted has been, or will be a slave... what's your point?

"Also, when you read Revaltions 2:9 and 3:9 in the New Covenant, Christ calls those Jews calling them selves Jews, the Synagogue of Satan."

No, that's not what Revelation 2:9 & 3:9.

This is what is actually written in Revelation 2:8 & 3:9...

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

You left out the part that says, "and are not," from both verses of your summary, which totally changes what they say.

I advise you to be careful of adding or taking words out of The Book of Revelation just to make points on a website... Revelation 22:18-19.

"Numbers 1:18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.

Pedigree is another name for blood line. The males hold the seed or sperm and without a males seed a woman cannot produce a child. The seed is the root of the offspring, therefore, God tells us that we are what our fathers are. So if a Latino/Latina has a Latin mother but a Chinese father, they are not Israel, they are Chinese, otherwise known as a heathen. If a "Black" man/woman has a "Black or Native American" father, they are what their father is. It all depends on what the fathers nationality is."

I'm going to skip your argument on the nations that took you captive; because the verse you quoted to justify it, Ge. 15:13 only says "a nation;" but I'd like to point out since you said this... PERSIANS / MEDES Persians " East Indians, Medes " Japhetic Ex.Hawaiians, Filipinos, Indonesians, Australian Aborigines etc. 203 years 536 " 333 B.C.

GREEKS (Edomites, so called white people) 267 years 333 " 66 B.C."

The isles of the Gentiles were inhabited by Japheth... and that includes Greece, and England, as well as Hawaii.
Ge. 10:2-5.

And how do you suppose this would prove the modern day Israelis aren't related to Isaac?

"Because everyone in Biblical times was dark skinned."

No, everyone in biblical times wasn't dark skinned, see...

My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:10.

"If you read the creation of Adam in Genesis 2:7 it tells you metaphorically the color of Adam.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Adam's name tells you the color of Adam.

In Hebrew adam means:To show the blood in the face, ie. flush or turn rosy:-be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)... and that's where the word edem from.

Edem means... redness, ruby, garnett, or some other red gem.

Adom is another Hebrew word, it means... rosy, red, ruddy.

Adam and adam are pronounced the same, and both mean ruddy.

Edom also means, red.

You can find all those words and names right next to each other in a Hebrew dictionary, with references that say the names Edom and Adam mean almost exactly the same thing: except Adam also means, first man.

"The Jew-ish that reside in Israel today are Khazar Edomites, meaning they come from the lineage of Esau."

You are assuming facts, which you have yet to prove.
Debate Round No. 3
TheWORDisLIFE

Pro

Please show me the verse that says none of the twelve tribes of Israel were white.

The God is not going to give you the answers as you please. HE wants you to do the work and search the scriptures (John 5:39).

If the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel aren't the true Jews... why do you call them Jews?

Because they say they are "Jews", that's why I'm calling them "Jew-ish".

All of the people who call themselves Jews in Israel aren't at war.

The entire nation of Israel is at war. The Palestinians and Israel; Israel and Iraq, etc... the entire nation of Israel is made up of what? "Jew-ish" individuals.

Everybody in the verse you posted has been, or will be a slave... what's your point?

My point is that they do not have slaves, which proves God is not dealing with them and modern day Israel.

You left out the part that says, "and are not," from both verses of your summary, which totally changes what they say.

Uhh no. If you read Revelation 2:9 & 3:9, I posted the correct Scripture and they have "and are not". "and are not" is Christ saying that they are calling themselves Jews, but they are not.....so I don't understand what you were intending to say there.

I advise you to be careful of adding or taking words out of The Book of Revelation just to make points on a website... Revelation 22:18-19.

I have not taken any words or added any words to the verse I used.

I'm going to skip your argument on the nations that took you captive; because the verse you quoted to justify it, Ge. 15:13 only says "a nation;"

Yes, it says a nation because the Egyptians is the nation that took us captive.

EGYPT The Sudanese, Watusis & Zulus – 400 years from 1846 – 1446 B.C. read Genesis 15:13.


And how do you suppose this would prove the modern day Israelis aren't related to Isaac?

They do not fit the curses of slavery. They are at war; they are committing very wicked sins; they do not have slaves and because they are Khazar Edomites.

No, everyone in biblical times wasn't dark skinned, see...

My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:10.

Who is this making refference to? and metaphorically, what is it saying because Solomon said he is black.

Song of Solomon 1:5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

Adam's name tells you the color of Adam.

In Hebrew adam means:To show the blood in the face, ie. flush or turn rosy:-be (dyed, made) red (ruddy)... and that's where the word edem from.

I don't want to jump off topic, but I'm going to refute this whole Adam was red thing. Adam was a reddish brown color or brown. Let's examine the name Adam

132. admoniy, ad-mo-nee´; or (fully) admowniy, ad-mo-nee´; from 119; reddish (of the hair or the complexion):—red, ruddy.

The definition of the word "red" described here is "admoniy" reddish of the hair or complexion. But it has its root meaning at 119

119. adam, aw-dam´; to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:—be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

So now RED is used to physically describe Esau/Edom which derives from the word "adam" which means "to show blood". However we do know that adam was created from earth making him a dark/brown complexion.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The hebrew word for "ground" here is:

127. adamah, ad-aw-maw´; from 119; soil (from its general redness):—country, earth, ground, husband(-man) (-ry), land.

Which also derives from Strong's definition 119 meaning "red". But we must ask ourselves, "Why is Adam who is made of the "brownish" earth called "RED". Is it his physical description? Not at all! Do not all people on the earth today come from Adam? Are all people brown? NO! so we must learn that the name "adam" (Strongs 119) also has a root (this is what many overlook!)

1818. dam, dawm; from 1826 (compare 119); blood (as that which when shed causes death) of man or an animal; by analogy, the juice of the grape; figuratively (especially in the plural) bloodshed (i.e. drops of blood):—blood(-y, -guiltiness, (-thirsty), + innocent.

"DAM" is the hebrew word for BLOOD and we all know what color blood is. All the words that describe the word "RED" has a form of the word "DAM"(=Blood) in it describing the origin of its redness (being blood)

Red- admoniy, awdam, adam, even Edom!!

123. Edom, ed-ome´; or (fully) Edowm, ed-ome´; from 122; red (see Gen. 25:25); Edom, the elder twin-brother of Jacob; hence the region (Idumaea) occupied by him:—Edom, Edomites, Idumea.

122. adom, aw-dome´; from 119; rosy:—red, ruddy.

So why is Adam described as "red"? He's not! He is described as looking like the earth or ground however seeing we all come from Adam we are descendants of his "blood (DAM)" lineage. All men alive carry the "blood" or life source of man called "DAM" hence all men were named Adam at one point.

Gen. 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

120. adam, aw-dawm´; from 119; ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.):—x another, + hypocrite, + common sort, x low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

This definition of "adam" has its origin still at 119 but defines itself as "the human race" seeing we all carry the DAM or BLOOD of the first man. Examine

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood (from Adam) all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

So all men and women have their origin with ONE BLOOD beginning with ADAM. Hence the suffix DAM in his name. So as some falsely teach, "If Adam was created of earth and physically described as the complexion of the rich soil, then how can Edom/Esau who is described as RED just like ADAM be the RED (caucasian) race? Easy? Remember Adam's name comes from the blood/DAM (which is without doubt red) he possesses and not his outer physical attributes. Edom on the other hand was described as being RED "outwardly".

Gen. 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

Esau is Edom and is described RED unlike Jacob who also came out of the same WOMB. Why does RED trace back to adam in the lexicons? lets see...

132. admoniy, ad-mo-nee´; or (fully) admowniy, ad-mo-nee´; from 119; reddish (of the hair or the complexion):—red, ruddy.

Now according to Genesis 5:2, wasn't every male and female called ADAM? Yes! So wouldn't Esau have already been RED? along with Jacob, Isaac, and every descendant of Adam? Yes! So why is there a need to describe Edom/'Esau as red in Genesis 25:25? Because this man was now "outwardly" Red!! whereas everyone else was RED/adam/dam internally seeing our blood is within us. But Edom's BLOOD,adam,DAM penetrates through his skin thus making him outwardly RED.

This definition hurts their whole doctrine whereas they try to say the red used to describe Esau/Edom is of a reddish brown color. Oh Really? Examine

2Kings 3:22 And they rose up early in the morning, and the sun shone upon the water, and the Moabites saw the water on the other side as red asblood:

the definition of RED and BLOOD used here is as follows...

122. adom, aw-dome´; from 119; rosy:—red, ruddy.

1818. dam, dawm; from 1826 (compare 119); blood (as that which when shed causes death) of man or an animal; by analogy, the juice of the grape; figuratively (especially in the plural) bloodshed (i.e. drops of blood):—blood(-y, -guiltiness, (-thirsty), + innocent.

So now red used here clearly describes RED as a visual color and again has its origin at 119 and is used synonymously with BLOOD or DAM

You are assuming facts, which you have yet to prove.

Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

All nations have taken us captive. We are in American, Canada, UK, Italy, India, ect....

"and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles"

The real Jerusalem was destroyed by the Gentiles or the heathen.

"until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

The Gentiles here is talking about the Northern Kingdom of Israel or the disperesed.

John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

The precept to Luke 21:24

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Do the "Jew-ish" in Israel today have the slaves that led them into captivity? They do not, this also shows they are not the Biblical Israelites.

Another point I'd like to make is, if the "Jew-ish" are the real Israelites, why don't they believe in the New Testament if the birht of Christ is prophecised in the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:22-23 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Immanuel & Emmanuel have the same meaning.
aloysious

Con

Please show me the verse that says none of the twelve tribes of Israel were white.

"The God is not going to give you the answers as you please. HE wants you to do the work and search the scriptures (John 5:39)."

Nevermind. Quoting a bunch of Bible verses out of context, and posting a bunch of words from the dictionary to say, Adam can't possibly mean the same thing as adam are bad enough; but avoiding a direct question by telling me and the readers/judges of this debate to... "Ask God," is too much. I'm not even about to do another line by line to point out all of your other mistakes; but look up, Slaves in Israel in a search engine. Here's a link to a bunch of flags with eagles on them ( http://commons.m.wikimedia.org... ); and the link provided by Ragnar points out how Jews in Israel can be related to Isaac, the same way you claim Native Americans might be.

Oh yeah, if Solomon was black... he got it from his mom... because David wasn't black, 1 Sa. 16:12, 17:42, Song 5:10, & Lam. 4:7.

I'm outta here.

Aloha
Debate Round No. 4
TheWORDisLIFE

Pro

To conclude this debate, the individuals calling themselves "Jew-ish" in Israel today are not the real Jews because they do not fit the curses in the Bible -Deutereonomy 28:15-68, nor is the world at peace, nation is rising against nation and the Bible says when the Kingdom of Christ is on earth, which is Israel, we will not learn of war anymore, yet today, the world is at war.

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Those "Jews" in modern day Israel are Khazar "Jews" from the European nation. To all who are reviewing this debate, this is just one of the many videos, that show an "Israeli" confessing that he is not the real Jew, that the "negroe blacks" in America are.

https://www.youtube.com...


Please show me the verse that says none of the twelve tribes of Israel were white.

Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

Who is the "they"? It's the Southern Kingdom of Israel led by the tribe of Judah and they are black.

CON said, "show me the verse that says none of the twelve tribes of Israel were white." That is the verse.

CON didn't really refute to many of my points, he/she refuted some, but not all, nor did he/she provide much evidence from the Bible. He/she asked questions and argued what he/she thinks, but didn't really refute all the points I made. In R4, CON metions that David is not black, that he was "ruddy", yet CON never refuted my argument explaining that "ruddy" does not mean that Adam means red or Edom.


I thank CON for the opportunity to debate this topic and good luck to you CON in the rest of your debates.


Vote PRO!
aloysious

Con

aloysious forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
That doesn't answer my question. I know what group of people fit the slavery prophecy in the Bible, but your saying that the modern day "Jew-ish" are the real "Jews" so I'm asking you how the modern day "Jews" are the real "Jews" if they don't fit the biblical slavery prophecy.
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
You answered that quite awhile ago... "A certain group of people on this earth, are related to the Biblical Jews. You know, sex, reproduction."
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
So then how are they the real "Jews", if they did not go through the slavery prophesied in the Bible?
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
"So what you were saying is that if those who went into slavery did not have DNA testing to trace their genealogy, they are not the true Jews."
No, nothing of the sort.
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
@Ragnar

So can you explain how those "Jew-ish" in Israel today are the real Jews when the Blacks, Latinos and Native Americans are spoken of in the Bible?

https://www.biblegateway.com...
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
@Ragnar

You said, "Slavery is not a genetic trait. Nor are religious practices." So what you were saying is that if those who went into slavery did not have DNA testing to trace their genealogy, they are not the true Jews.
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
Your video agrees with me, so what is the cause of your mental failing?
https://youtu.be...
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
@Ragnar

Also, how can someone cherry pick the Bible when the scriptures are clear on what they say?
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
TheWORDisLIFE
@Ragnar

Right, or more along the lines that you just don't want to accept the truth.

DNA testing is a hoax and the Edomites who invented it, just want money. If DNA testing was accurate, why can't "scientist" be able to determine exactly where we came from? Why are they all just guesses?

https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
@TheWORDisLIFE
Cherry picking a book of metaphors, anything can be said to be within it. There's a guy on the religion forum who thinks he found his date of death (earlier this year), and is now very confused.

Please provide a link to back up your new claim about DNA tests.
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