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Modern Feminism is Ineffective

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Started: 3/11/2015 Category: People
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Collinator405

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Modern feminism is riddled with false information such as the wage gap, and shirtless protesting is stupid and idiotic. When a man wears a shirt with a half naked woman on it, feminists say he can't wear it, but when feminists get accused of wearing sexual and/ or provocative clothing, they say they can wear whatever they want? Which one is it feminists? Lets be honest here, if you really care about women's rights, go to a third world country and help out women with NO rights.
FlaouaPaoua

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"Modern feminism is riddled with false information such as the wage gap"
The wage gap, depending on definition is not a lie. Women are paid less, at least in my country, Sweden. This is because they are forced to take worse jobs, as people don't want to hire them for more important jobs. Why? Because the societal trends tells them that it is their duty to take parental leave. Because of this, young women has a hard time finding jobs of high important, and therefor with high wages, and take lower paying jobs.

"Shirtless protesting is stupid and idiotic"
No, it is absolutely not. Boobs are boobs, be it on men or women. There is nothing sexual about boobs biologically, and if you wanna sexualize them, fine, do so, but don't make it illegal for women to go topless if men can. Everyone should be able to go topless. There is NOTHING sexual about boobs, since they are only there to produce milk for small children to survive. Since women without shirts on are stared at, harassed and so on, doing it in big groups to show it is nothing wrong with it should be done.

"When a man wears a shirt with a half naked woman on it, feminists say he can't wear it, but when feminists get accused of wearing sexual and/ or provocative clothing, they say they can wear whatever they want?"
There is a huge difference, one case is a woman wearing whatever she wants, the other case is a man wearing a shirt that sexualizes women, enforcing the societal norms that women should just be there to look cute, and that the woman body is something for everyone to watch and that it belongs to the "men". Of course he should get to do this, but he should expect criticism since it is supporting gender norms/roles that are not good for women. When women dress, in the way you call "provocative", which I would call light, it is probably because it is hot outside. Provocative clothing would be a shirt that says "Hey wanna fight". Clothing that reveals body parts that 100% of evert human has (boobs, asses) is nothing provocative.

"Lets be honest here, if you really care about women's rights, go to a third world country and help out women with NO rights."
Ah, the old classic
"There are people in other parts of the word who has it worse so than you so stop trying to improve the position you are in".
If i would go to, say Saudi Arabia, and say "Hey, women should be allowed to leave the house without her husbands permission", they would take a scimitar and cut my head off.
Also, modern feminism does help a lot outside our western world. For example, in Sweden, feminist parties have now stopped the weapon trade to Saudi Arabia.

Modern feminists are also helping a lot of other groups that are discriminated by for example racism, homophobia, transphobia and so on and so forth.

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Debate Round No. 1
Collinator405

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FlaouaPaoua

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Debate Round No. 2
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FlaouaPaoua

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Heh, forgot pressing "Send" last round and have been away from internet, so I will post it now seeing as my opponent forfeited again. Not very well written in lack of time?

So it is my round again, see my opponent forfeited. Don't know if he missed it or if he didn't come up with any good arguments in time. Now, why is modern feminism EFFECTIVE?
Well, for example, a political feminist party in Sweden broke weapon trade with Saudi Arabia, which of course help a lot since it means less weapons for a dictatorship that discriminate women and behead people for being gay/not muslim.
Not really sure what I should write, since "modern" can be the period of the last 5 years and the period that began with the end of the dark ages. But feminism has accomplished so much, giving women right to vote, right to be in charge of their own life. It has also changed the societies view of women from sexual objects and servants to independent human beings.
Debate Round No. 3
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Debate Round No. 4
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Lee001 2 years ago
Lee001
I was going to accept this! ugh. Good luck!
Posted by TheJuniorVarsityNovice 2 years ago
TheJuniorVarsityNovice
damn I was just about to accept this. Ill vote on this if I see it
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