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dhiazitouni
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Modern Pornography is Empowering for Women

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/14/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Free_Th1nker

Pro

I am arguing that modern pornography industry is empowering for women.

Modern pornography industry will be defined as the pornography industry over approximately the last decade (2005-Present).

Con will argue that modern pornography is not empowering for women.

4 Rounds:
1. Acceptance and opening statement/arguments.
2. Rebuttal to opening arguments and presentation/elaboration on main arguments.
3. Rebuttal to the presentation/elaboration of main arguments. New information can be included if you wish.
4. Final rebuttals and a closing argument/statement.

Remember, that what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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My opening: The modern porn industry is absolutely an empowering industry for women. Unlike other professions, women take an active role in deciding who they work with, what actions they will perform, and how much money they will make. Pornography is one of the few professions in which women make more, on average, than men do. Furthermore, it is empowering to women who desire to eliminate the negative social stigma attached to women who fornicate on a consistent basis.

I am excited to hear your side of the debate.
dhiazitouni

Con

any logical argument should of course start from the beginning which is the illuminating fact that modern pornography is without a doubt (stating the obvious here): 'pornography' therefore it leans heavily on the depiction of sexual content which only empowers the non active somewhat socially awkward person masturbating in his bedroom and by this ugly picture we can deduce that women will only be the fuel of this person's desires which do not defer from an animal's basic instincts thus downgrading women. On the other hand this modern pornography was proven to have escaped from the concept of storyline and erotica into a more vulgar and exploitive state by diving directly into the sexual act which deprives them from any emotion which will lead to the performers being turned into automatic sex machines which ruins the image of women.
Debate Round No. 1
Free_Th1nker

Pro

Pornography certainly leans heavily on the depiction of sexual content (otherwise it wouldn't be pornography); however, this is a debate about the industry, not the content. I will contest that your generalization of people who masturbate as a male who is "non active somewhat socially awkward masturbating in his bedroom" is horribly inaccurate and invalid. If you look at Kinsey Institution data (http://www.kinseyinstitute.org...) you'll see that more people masturbate or have masturbated than not. Masturbation is natural. After all, the only mammals that have sex for pleasure are human beings and dolphins. The sexual content of pornography does not empower someone to masturbate. Pornographic content leads to arousal, which makes the individual wish to achieve a sexual climax. To say that the women alone will be the content which sparks this arousal is unsupported, and does not take into account for other factors of pornographic content that may cause arousal. For example, a woman watching heterosexual pornography may be aroused primarily by the man in the film.

Your second argument is much more convincing and intriguing and should really be the center of your argument as a whole. Still, I refute it. Although erotica has created much more depth in storyline, it has not removed all storyline from pornography. Many pornographic films contain story lines, although erotica is typically a better place to find them. However, this does not affect the vulgarity or exploitation of the industry or content. It really depends on the category. As there are humiliation genre that serve to do not much more than humiliate women, there are genre such BDSM in which women are portrayed in the dominating role. If a particular pornographic film dives straight into the sexual acts, which, I agree, portrays the performers as not much more than sex machines, wouldn't the image of men also be ruined?

However, back to my main point on the industry itself, rather than just the content: It is commonly known that women make, on average, less than men per dollar (this varies from 77 cents to 96 cents on the dollar). Either way, women are not getting equal treatment for equal pay. However, in the pornography industry, women have a considerable amount of power. Women make a considerably greater amount of money than their male counterparts (Seidman, Steven, Nancy Fischer and Chet Meeks. 2011. Introduction the New Sexuality Studies: Second Edition). Additionally, women take an active role in negotiating this salary, whereas less than a third of women negotiate their salaries in other fields of business (Babcock, Linda and Sara Laschever. 2007. Women Don"t Ask: The High Cost of Avoiding Negotiation and Positive Strategies for Change.) For some performers, pornography is an occupation that allows them to escape poverty and receive an education (Mireille Miller-Young, "Empowering to the Women on Screen"). Clearly, all these factors empower women to break traditional norms of workplace interaction and wage disparity.

Perhaps more importantly, pornography allows women to express their sexuality. American culture has a strict double standard on promiscuity. Men are championed when the sleep around; women are shamed. Women are expected to limit their sexual experiences and ideally remain a virgin until marriage at the cost of being able to express herself sexually or being able to acquire sexual satisfaction with another human being. The pornography industry empowers women to express their sexuality freely, despite social pressures to remain modest, innocent, and pure. It is important, and empowering, for women to abolish these social norms that have for too long attempted to repress the sexuality of women.
dhiazitouni

Con

dhiazitouni forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Free_Th1nker

Pro

I maintain my position.
dhiazitouni

Con

dhiazitouni forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Free_Th1nker

Pro

I maintain my position.

Con has forfeited all chances to debate thus far. If the trend continues, points should go to pro.
dhiazitouni

Con

dhiazitouni forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Bennett91 2 years ago
Bennett91
For Pro: I don't think you can separate the content from the industry as it is the content that defines the industry. So if the content can be seen as degrading to women, the industry can be too. Just because woman are more valuable in the industry doesn't make them empowered, it means they're on a higher pedestal.
Posted by Bennett91 2 years ago
Bennett91
Are we talking about women as a whole or just women in the industry?
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Vote Placed by whiteflame 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Too bad, it looked like Con had an intriguing argument. Without supporting it, though, it falls. Pro is the only one to present sources, and he didn't forfeit, hence sources and conduct go to him as well as arguments.