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A.WitherspoonVI
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Danielle
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Modified Capitalist Liberal Democracy is inevitable form of government for everyone.

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Started: 1/16/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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A.WitherspoonVI

Pro

Liberal democracy as defined as, "a form of representative democracy with free and fair form of elections procedure and competitive political process. The most interesting feature of liberal democracy is that all adult citizens is given the right to vote regardless of race, gender or property ownership." Has been shown over the last several decades of history due to the fall of Communism, deterioration of Islamic Authoritarianism, decline of trade barriers to be the inevitable form of government for all nations. Also it is plain to see rival system such as Fascism, Communism or Theocracies are declining over the world and existing autocratic states either claim to be democratic in some sense or on the road to democracy. Good luck!
Danielle

Con

First, Communism has not been a complete failure. China is a communist nation [1], and is considered a BRIC country - a country deemed to be at a particular stage of newly advanced economic development [2]. As for Islamic countries, many people do not deem economic prosperity as the sole indicator of a successful nation. Many people in the Middle East don't want democracy [3]. They believe that religious authority is paramount to man's authority (politics) and prefer to live by Sharia Law. Because Sharia Law is based on the Quran, it cannot or should not be practiced in a democracy which encourages voting based on policies other than kinship or religious affiliation. Not everyone values freedom/democracy in the way Americans do.

Further, not all Americans value democracy either. In many cases, it can be considered tyranny of the majority. There is a Libertarian/Voluntaryist movement that espouses voluntary government; it rejects the notion that other people should vote on laws and values that affect your life. This movement which stands contrary to democratic ideas is gaining exposure and becoming increasingly popular with the new generation [4]. This indicates to me that worldwide democratization is not "inevitable."

A benevolent dictatorship could be successful. A great leader with great power can allow a country to prosper; it's when a bad leader comes along that the nation suffers. Considering my opponent's opening argument was short and sweet, I'll leave mine at that for now.

[1] http://www.foreignpolicy.com...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3] http://www.aljazeera.com...
[4] http://www.policymic.com...
Debate Round No. 1
A.WitherspoonVI

Pro

Firstly, China may under the official name of communist however they are well other capitalist and no one will question they are a globalized economy which has lower worker rights then most Americans. As a matter of fact 1/10 of the wealthiest Chinese people in China actually are high ranking Chinese officials in the People's Congress or top advisory group. Also "fortunes of 103 descendants of the revolutionaries revered in China as the "Eight Immortals," who backed Deng two years after Mao's death. Three of the descendants headed or still head state-owned companies with combined assets of about $1.6 trillion in 2011, or about a fifth of China's national output. Twenty-six ran or held top positions in state-owned companies; 43 ran their own businesses or became executives in private firms."[1] The previous quote ought to show without any doubt the condition of communism in China. Secondly on the note of political Islam, Now in the world only 6 governments proclaim to be an Islamic State: Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Mauritania, and Afghanistan[4]. 3 of which are fighting civil wars. Also one can see now a rejection of Islamism and embrace of liberalism in Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt as result of the Arab Spring which has shown liberal elements have now began to take hold in the Near-east[3]. Also S. Arabia has been said by a member of the royal family him self that Arabia is progressing slowly towards a democratic society.[2] While their are a handful of Authoritarian regimes left their is no evidence to support Liberalism will not consume them as they have Monarchies, Fascism, and Communism[5].

1. http://www.heraldextra.com...
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3.http://www.bbc.co.uk...
4.http://en.wikipedia.org...
5. Francis Fukuyama End Of History and The Last Man(1992) first edition
Danielle

Con

I expected my opponent to make the argument that China was not "really" communist, hence why the source I linked in the previous round specifically argued against the notion that China was communist "in name only." Clearly my opponent didn't read it. The fact that many Chinese government officials are rich doesn't at all negate the idea that China is a communist country. Though China did modify/replace the rigid communist economic system, it is still a heavily communist nation in every single other aspect. Of course, these other political aspects of communism shape and influence China's economy which can probably be most accurately described as Market-Leninism [1, 2].

As my previous source noted, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the party's grip on the three Ps: personnel, propaganda, and the People's Liberation Army. The Chinese government provides cheap government loans, subsidies, and tax holidays that fund high-tech ventures. This is the opposite of capitalism which distinguishes the market vs. the government. China imposes drastic interventionist contributions from the government and subsidizes "private" business which is more of a communist practice than capitalist one.

There is no doubt that China is communist in far more than name only. If my opponent wants to continue disputing this, I invite him to explain how/why China is not really communist, and in the final round I will verify that indeed they truly are. The point here is that this model has been successful for China, and other countries are taking notice and may follow suit [3].

As far as Sharia Law goes, my opponent's argument is that only 6 countries follow Islamic law. That does not negate my points, which were a) Many people do not deem economic prosperity as the sole indicator of a successful nation, b) Many people don't like/want democracy, c) Some people believe that religious authority is paramount to man's authority (politics) and prefer to live by God's word over man's. Given how deeply religious many people particularly in the Middle East can be, just because there are only a handful of nations who follow Sharia Law doesn't mean they will ALL inevitably convert. Even if they do, who is to say they will convert to democracy?

My opponent dropped my argument that democracy is gaining opposition even here in the U.S. and that it can be considered tyranny of the majority [4]. The resolution is also problematic, because even the U.S. is not a true democracy [5]. The law of the land, the Constitution, is not entirely democratic [6].

I have yet to see why worldwide democracy and capitalism are inevitable. All Pro has proven is that these ideologies are popular or at least popular through force and coercion.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com...
[2] http://www6.cityu.edu.hk...
[3] http://www.nytimes.com...
[4] http://www.sullivan-county.com...
[5] http://1215.org...
[6] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
A.WitherspoonVI

Pro

A.WitherspoonVI forfeited this round.
Danielle

Con

Please extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
A.WitherspoonVI

Pro

A.WitherspoonVI forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by campbellp10 4 years ago
campbellp10
Socialism does not equal communism. Come on people...
Posted by wrichcirw 4 years ago
wrichcirw
Wow what a title.
Posted by A.WitherspoonVI 4 years ago
A.WitherspoonVI
Sorry I am taking so long i closed he tab by mistake and my entire argument vanished.
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