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Rockylightning
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wjmelements
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81 Points

Money grows On trees.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/1/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Rockylightning

Pro

I will uphold the resolution "Money Grows On Trees"

Money: Paper money, such as the US dollar.
Grows: originates from
Trees: The general term for tree, large plants.

I would like my opponent to start with arguments first.

Lets have this be a real debate, not one built on definition.
wjmelements

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for this debate.

CLARIFICATIONS
It has been clarified that this debate concerns other so-called "Paper Currency," but the US Dollar in particular.

"Bills are composed of 25% linen and 75% cotton; red and blue synthetic fibers are distributed throughout the paper."
http://www.enchantedlearning.com...
"Currency paper is composed of 25 percent linen and 75 percent cotton. Red and blue synthetic fibers of various lengths are distributed evenly throughout the paper."
http://www.garamchai.com...
"The US dollar is printed on cotton paper."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I challenge my opponent's definition of tree, because it is unsourced and too ambiguous for this debate.
Tree: A perennial woody plant having a main trunk and usually a distinct crown. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

I reserve the right to challenge my opponent's unsourced definition of "grows" should he abuse it.

COTTON
Cotton grows on cotton plants that are classified as shrubs. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Shrubs are not trees.
Shrub: A woody plant of relatively low height, having several stems arising from the base and lacking a single trunk; a bush. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
The cotton plant has multiple stems and lacks wood; therefore, cotton doesn't come from trees.

LINEN
Linen is "made of fibers from the flax plant." http://www.wisegeek.com...
Flax is an annual plant. http://en.wikipedia.org...
An annual plant is not perennial and lacks wood; therefore, linen doesn't come from trees.

SYNTHETIC FIBERS
These are really cool. Most people don't even know they're there. Anyways:
I assert that no synthetic fibers (the most common ones listed on page 5 of [1]) originate from trees and that even if one did, one could not assert that the whole dollar grows on trees.

INK
The only inputs of ink that could be considered products of the tree are the wood rosin and the turpentine, which are necessary, but because they exist in such small quantities on the actual bill itself, it cannot be argued that the whole or even the majority of the bill originated from trees.

CONCLUSION
Because no major portion of the US Dollar comes from any tree, it cannot be concluded that "money grows on trees." Thank you.

Foot Notes
[1] http://www.gatewaycoalition.org...
[2] http://www.census.gov...
Debate Round No. 1
Rockylightning

Pro

\\\"Bills are composed of 25% linen and 75% cotton; red and blue synthetic fibers are distributed throughout the paper."///

Cotton, as you stated, "grows on shrubs". Even according to your definition, a cotton shrub, is a tree. Cotton is a "A perennial woody plant having a main trunk and usually a distinct crown."

Therefore because 75% of paper money (the majority) grows on a tree, we can conclude that money grows on trees.

\\\Because no major portion of the US Dollar comes from any tree,///

75% of the US dollar grows on the cotton shrub, which I have proved to be a tree. Therefore, it has been concluded that money grows on trees.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
wjmelements

Con

My opponent concedes that Linen, Synthetic Fibers, and Ink do not originate from trees. My opponent also agrees with my definition of tree. He only contends that the cotton shrub is a tree.

Gossypium hirsutum is the type of cotton that makes up the overwhelming majority of the cotton produced in the United States [1]. It is of the genus Gossypium, which is a genus of shrubs [2], which are distinct from trees in that they have multiple stems from the base instead of one main trunk [3].

Therefore, money does not grow on trees; it grows on shrubs. Thank you.

Sources
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Rockylightning

Pro

Shrubs are mini trees. Period

Pro wins.
wjmelements

Con

My opponent does not refute the distinction obvious in the definition, that shrubs have multiple stems and no main trunk, unlike trees. Therefore, shrubs are not "mini trees." The debate is over.

Closing Statement:
Money, in this debate, the United States Dollar, is made of cotton, linen, synthetic fibers, and ink. None of these comes from a tree. My opponent has contended that the cotton plant is a tree, while I have pointed out the definite distinction that cotton in fact grows on a shrub. Therefore, it cannot be said that money grows on trees. The resolution is negated.

Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
On a side note, the reason I put agree with PRO at the end of the debate is not because of his arguments, but because of my research on this topic. While the U.S. Dollar is not made of paper, it should be noted that many other types of paper currency exist that are actually made of tree paper. Actual paper was discontinued in the United States a while back because they found a more durable material, cotton paper, that they could use over longer periods of time and encrypt anti-counterfeiting measures in.

I would also like to point out that in my first round I declared that cotton was annual, and not perennial. This is because it is grown annually for commercial purposes rather than perennially. I dropped this argument after doing more research and focused on the stems argument, although it was easy to defeat. Gossypium hirsutum can be classified as either a tree or a shrub, depending on which herbology site you visit. Cotton trees, however, are only seen in the wild, and only develop in cotton's perennial form, which isn't the one that the US Dollar comes from. My opponent didn't do much to assert that cotton came from trees, so I didn't have to point all this out.

This was a very stimulating debate for me. It required a lot of research in the first round (mostly over US currency) and in the second (mostly over cotton). I only wish that my opponent had dedicated more time to research.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Nice rebuttals, con and pro.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Hmm. Con seems to already have a major lead already. I guess something can come from variants of trees or something like natural selection. I don't know.
I lol'd at the comment below.
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
*eyes turn yellow, starts drooling, teeth grow longer*

loljk
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
Youll see, you'll all see!!!
Posted by Korashk 6 years ago
Korashk
I totally saw that one coming.
Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
winrar
Posted by J.Kenyon 6 years ago
J.Kenyon
American currency is 25% cotton and 75% linen, neither of which come from trees.
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
why?
Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
I prefer 1 to 3 months.
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Reasons for voting decision: I'm updating my vote here so that it includes the new RFD feature: BEFORE: CON; I did not believe that money, or its components, grew on trees. AFTER: PRO; non-United States money was found during my research to be made from the perennial cotton tree. See my comment (number 13). CONDUCT: TIED; no violations GRAMMAR: CON (Punctuation) ARGUMENTS: CON; PRO's case that the cotton the United States uses for its dollar originates from a tree was defeated by the stem argument SOURCE: CON; the neg
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