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Mongeese's Ultimate Team War II

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Started: 6/17/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
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mongeese

Pro

This is the Ultimate World Domination Team War. Each debater must assemble a team of five people, and the teams will then fight to the death. Since we cannot have an actual real-life battle, each debater will explain why their team is superior during this debate.

DEFINITIONS
Team leader: One of the debaters here, i.e. me and whoever accepts the debate.
Team member: One of the five chosen warriors.

RULES
1. Battles take place on Earth.
2. No team member may have unlimited abilities in one or more particular areas. If you don't know the limit, and there doesn't seem to be a limit, there isn't a limit. Don't use guys like Dr. Manhattan. Don't break the spirit of Ultimate Team War.
3. Every team member must be either real or, if fictional, verifiably existent. No characters may be made up for the purpose of this debate.
4. In the case of a fictional character, the team member's abilities must be according to a specific canon chosen by the team leader.
5. Every character has only the equipment and abilities that they generally have in the specified canon. For instance, Master Chief (from Halo) has a full set of armor, a pistol and an assault rifle, while Cyclops (X-Men) has his visor.
6. Team members are absolutely loyal to the team leader, unless subjected to some form of mind control by the opposing team. For example, though Superman and Lex Luthor are enemies, they could still be on the same team.
7. The team leader may not directly participate in the competition, but may only facilitate. The role of the team leader is to explain what the team would do and why it would win against the opposing team.
8. Neither team can have a member in common. If one team leader chooses a team member, the other team cannot have that person.
9. No one may choose Chuck Norris, on the grounds that a) his powers are somewhat vague and b) he is excessively overpowered.

(PRO unveils only three team members in round one for two reasons. The first is so that PRO does not get first dibs on choosing all five team members. The second is so that CON cannot gain an advantage by choosing team members that directly counter PRO's team.)

Round 1: Rule specifications; PRO unveils first three team members, CON unveils all five team members.

Round 2: PRO unveils his final two team members and explains why his team is better. CON also begins his/her arguments.

Round 3, 4, 5: Arguments and rebuttals. Con may not present any new arguments during round 5, since Pro has no chance to rebut them.

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Opening
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Team Member 1: Yugi Muto (Yu-Gi-Oh TV Series)

http://yugioh.wikia.com...

Yugi is a kid with a deck of Duel Monsters cards.

He also possesses the Millennium Puzzle (http://yugioh.wikia.com......), which allows him to switch minds with his "alter-ego," Atem, also known as Yami Yugi.

http://yugioh.wikia.com...

Using the power of the Millennium Puzzle, Yugi can cover the area around him with the Shadow Realm. The Puzzle also allows him to summon the monsters and use the cards in his deck.

http://yugioh.wikia.com...
http://yugioh.wikia.com...

http://yugioh.wikia.com...
That's a list of all of the cards in his decks at each time. For this debate, Yugi will have his deck and equipment from after the Battle City Tournament.

He also has the Millennium Rod, Millennium Ring, and the Millennium Necklace, because he is just that awesome.
http://yugioh.wikia.com...
http://yugioh.wikia.com...
http://yugioh.wikia.com...

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Team Member 2: Seto Kaiba (Yu-Gi-Oh TV Series)

http://yugioh.wikia.com...

Kaiba is the president of Kaiba Corp., a company involved in Duel Monsters.
He seems to possess every kind of card, excluding quite a few limited edition cards such as the Egyptian God cards and Relinquished.

His deck is most famous for its Blue-Eyes White Dragons.

He also possesses the Millennium Eye (http://yugioh.wikia.com...), which is shown to give the user the ability to read the minds of others.

Using the power of the Millennium Eye, Kaiba can cover the area around him with the Shadow Realm. The Eye also allows him to summon the monsters and use the cards in his deck.

Kaiba, in this UTW, is himself from after the Dawn of the Duel season.

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Team Member 3: Midna (Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)

http://zelda.wikia.com...

Midna is a member of the Twili race, turned into an imp by Zant. She can use the Fused Shadow.

"Midna has a variety of powers from her tribe's shadow magic, which include:
- The ability to use her hair like a hand to grab enemies.
- To extend an object's energy field.
- To grab something from outside the twilight and pull it into the twilight. (Note that this is available for any Twili)
- To make use of twilight portals.
- To perform psychokinesis.
- To turn her hair into red spikes and impale things.
- To turn into a deadly twilight creature with a twilit spear using the power of the Fused shadows
- To keep an item in an unknown hammer space. She has been seen to be able to keep the Ordon Sword, the Ordon Shield, and Zant's charm and have it reappear floating in her hand at will. She may use this power to store Link's items while he is in wolf form.
- To create waves of energy strong enough to break metal.
- To take the form of other beings.
- She also displays the ability to break down her body into twilight particles. She uses this to move through the bars of the cell Link was imprisoned in.
- She seems to have the ability to create twilight portals. She is seen doing this after each dungeon boss is defeated. These portals appear on the ground rather than in the air, as most portals are.
- She, being the true ruler of the Twili, has the ability to destroy the Twilight Mirror."

As a non-playable video game character, she also has the power to create cutscenes.

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I will post my other two team members and begin my arguments in round 2, after my opponent posts his or her team members.
Logical-Master

Con

To properly see the graphics used in this debate, please visit this thread: http://www.debate.org...

[b] Opening [/b]

Team Member 1: Zero

http://codegeass.wikia.com...

Lelouch shall be wearing his "Zero" outfit.

Team Member 2: Dr. Strange

http://en.wikipedia.org...

616 universe incarnation just to make sure.

Team Member 3: Super Vegetto

http://dragonball.wikia.com...

Team Member 4: Reed Richards

http://marvel.wikia.com...(Earth-616)

Team Member 5: Yusuke Urameshi

http://yuyuhakusho.wikia.com...

I see no reason to explain any of my characters since explanations can be found on all pages, although it would probably be wise to scroll through the respective mangas of Yusuke and Vegetto just to have a better understanding of them. www.onemanga.com
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Pro

All right, then. You seem to have a very good selection of characters, including one double-character, but I guess I can't complain, as I am using Yami Yugi. I would like to remind you that you haven't chosen specific canons for your characters (i.e. anime, manga, etc.)

Team Member 4: Link, Hero of Twilight (Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)

Link is a swordsman who bears the Triforce of Courage. Of his many incarnations, I am using his Hero of Twilight incarnation.

Link can turn into a wolf.

The Triforce of Courage seems to protect him from dark magic and grant him the ability to wield weapons, such as the sword, with ease.

http://zelda.wikia.com...
http://zelda.wikia.com...
http://zelda.wikia.com...

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Team Member 5: Jimmy Buffett

Jimmy Buffett is the king of Margaritaville and whatnot. Most of his powers are evident in his songs, such as his power to "float across time." He also bestows the desire to go to Margaritaville, a state of mind in which one wants margaritas, unto everybody with a nervous system by singing and playing his guitar.
http://www.buffettworld.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Now that that's over with, I can use some strategies:

1. Mind Control
Through the use of Yugi's Brain Control, Change of Heart, and Millennium Rod, in addition to Kaiba's Enemy Controller, I can control 4/5 of Team CON, and offer them as Tribute to the Winged Dragon of Ra. This would pit the Winged Dragon of Ra, with the power of everyone on Team CON that is susceptible to mind control, against anybody who should be immune. If none of them are immune, then I'll have Zero against the WDoR. Zero is doomed.

2. Alcohol
Yugi safely hides the rest of Team PRO in the Shadow Realm as Jimmy Buffett starts singing "Margaritaville." He offers Team CON the chance to go to his beach party in Key West, and they accept, because "Margaritaville" compels them. After everybody is drunk, Jimmy Buffett starts a bar fight, and Team CON ultimately destroys itself. Fun.

Individual Strategies:
1.Yugi uses Collected Power to transfer all of Dr. Strange's artifacts to Link, who can now use them like an expert.
2. Kaiba can use Tribute to the Doomed to easily mummify and defeat Dr. Strange, as being gagged is a weakness of his.
3. Because Zero is physically weak, Trap Hole would do away with him rather nicely.
4. Yusuke seems especially susceptible to Buffett, and Link could deal with him rather nicely with his sword skills.
5. Midna could transform into a deadly twilight creature and destroy everybody with a twilit spear.
6. Yugi could use De-Fusion to transform Vegeto back into Goku and Vegeta, and then allow Kaiba to use two Bottomless Trap Holes to defeat both of them.
7. Reed Richards could be sliced in half by Link, or dealt with using Mystic Box.
8. Kaiba could use the Crush Card Virus to destroy all powerful members of Team CON with more than 1500 ATK. The Dragon Master Knight, with 5000 ATK, would easily destroy anybody remaining.

That's all for now. Good luck with your response.
Logical-Master

Con

RE: I would like to remind you that you haven't chosen specific canons for your characters (i.e. anime, manga, etc.)

It isn't necessary for Yusuke or Vegetto since the differences between their respective anime and mangas definately won't come up as an issue in this debate. As for Lelouch, the paged I linked to concerned the anime mostly. Nevertheless, none of the arguments presented seemed to be focused on any other incarnation, so there shouldn't be a problem. :)

Onto the debate . . .

[b][color=red] 1. RE: Mind Control [/color][/b]

First, I need to get a few things straight as there are some pretty large inconsistencies between my opponent's case and the actual Yugio source material.

1) The only point in the Yugio series where Yugi even potentially has access to the Millenium Rod or any of the other millenium items which PRO list are at the end of the series when Yugi and Atemu have to duel. Thus, if my opponent is going to be having the items used in the round, he cannot also have it to where Yugi and Atemu share the same body. Otherwise, he'd be violating the rules in having one extra person on his team.

2) My opponent is gravely mistaken in concluding that any of the "duel monsters" cards work in reality without some other variable at hand. During the Doom arc (or for those who've only watched the dub, the season which focused on all of the Orichalcos stuff and was nothing more than filler), the only reason duel monsters were present in reality was due to the magical interference of the main villain of that arc. At all other times, the cards only had realistic effects during Yami no Yugi penalty games (or as the dub puts it, the Shadow realm). In order to do any of the things which involves use of the cards, Yugi would have to be playing one of the characters in a duel (more on that later)

3) The shadow realm doesn't exist. It is merely a silly dub addition since 4kids was under the impression that little kids wouldn't be able to handle the actual content of the actual series. (much like the removal of all guns and alcohal and instances of Joey punching Yugi). In the actual series, people simply die or are sometimes nearly dead rather than being "banished" to the shadow realm.

4) The millenium items can all be overcome by sheer will power. This has been proven by Joey (when he overcame Marik's mind control) and has been proven by Kaiba (when he overcame the prediction made with the millenium necklace). Each of the characters whom I've listed (well, except Reed Richards) have an abundant amount of will power (hell, Lelouch had enough will power to overcome what iwas made to be the equivalent to God.

In any case, Yugi (having no other way to use his powers) would challenge my team to a competition of some sort (though for the heck of it, I'll agree for it to be a duel based on duel monsters). Lelouch, having a superhuman level of intelligence, would agree to this duel, on the condition that he got two hours of prep time as well as access to any of the cards in Kaiba's duel monster brief case and that this one duel decided the entire team battle. Yugi would accept (feeling confident that he could win, as well as the fact that he wouldn't be able to use his powers any other way). Within two hours or less, Lelouch would understand the game well enough to play evenly or even best a world champion. When the actual duel began, it would be a good match as both characters are cunning tacticians who can instantly think up brilliant strategies, however, Lelouch would win. Although it is hard to say who'd truly show more tactical prowess (although I'm willing to argue that Lelouch is superior), Lelouch's will power is greater since he managed use his geass power (a power which has effectiveness based on the users will) on what was said to be God in his series. Yugi has no will power feat to top that. We must keep in mind that it is will power which enables Yugi to draw the right cards at the right moment (the dub calls this the "heart of the cards"), and Lelouch has Yugi beat at that.

[b][color=blue] 2. Alcohol [/color][/b]

We've established that the Shadow realm as well as PRO's understanding of it is non existent, thus I shall merely focus on the Jimmy Buffett part. Before Jimmy Buffett even managed to open his mouth, Super Vegetto could speed blitz him (as in move faster than the target can react) and kill him in one blow. After all, Super Gotenks was able to fly around the earth multiple times in mere seconds and Super Vegetto is established as being far more powerful, so . . .

[b][color=orange]3. Individual Strategies [/color][/b]

1. That assumes Strange has agreed to a competition in which this would be possible. Being someone who can read minds, he'd know better and would only accept a challenge to a game which he felt he could win.
2. See above.
3. See above.
4. Actually, Yusuke is in fact the most powerful character on my team, but I'll explain below.
5. Super Vegetto can destroy planets with ease as well as move faster than thought, Dr. Strange has dealt with foes far more powerful than Ganondorf (Mephisto, the equivalent to what we think of as "The Devil" comes to mind) (who Midna couldn't even beat with Link's help as shown in the game.
6). See Yugio explanation. Plus, Super Vegetto could kill him before he even took a single breath at the beginning of the fight.
7) "[i] You've never managed to understand--you can't hurt me physically Namor, I'm indestructable [/i]" -Reed Richards, Marvel Knights 4 #8
8) None of the people on my opponent's team are duel monsters or have any attack points, so it wouldn't work. Not to mention my explanation concerning Yugio

[color=purple] [b] In terms of my arguments . . .[/b] [/color]

I'd say it's pretty clear that my opponent's team is outclassed in every way as each of my characters could win on their own while against PRO's entire team.

Lelouch: He could geass any one of the people on PRO's team before they even had time to react. All he has to say is "Kill yourselves" and the fight is over.

Dr. Strange: Could teleport any of the people on PRO's team into the sun or could even mind wipe all of them before the fight had time to seriously begin.

Reed Richards: With his ultimate nullifier ray, he could nullify any one of the people on my opponents team and make them unable to do anything. (ultimate nullifier described here: http://en.wikipedia.org... )

Super Vegetto: He could speed blitz PRO's entire team at the beginning of the fight (by the way, speed blitz can be defined here: http://www.killermovies.com... ), could instantly destroy the planet and teleport the rest of the team to another planet before the planet was completely destroy using instant transmission.

Yusuke Urameshi: Yusuke is powerful enough to destroy the planet merely by powering up or by being in a state which consumes a small portion of his power. Read the bottom left panel and then note that Yusuke is far more powerful than this character at the end of the series: http://www.onemanga.com...
So powerful, that the remainder of his fights have to take place in a more durable dimension. Merely by exerting a small amount of energy, all of the characters on PRO's team would be dead.

In short, my team pwnzers on my opponent's team without even tryin, hence this is a really one sided match up.

Lastly, even if the shadow realm existed and my opponent were correct on matters concerning Yugio, the fact of the matter is that Dragon Ball Z and Yu Yu Hakusho characaters are confirmed to be able to break through dimensions. Not to mention that Dr. Strange could simply use his magic to bypass the "shadow realm" by transporting my entire team past it.

With all that being said, I'll leave it at that and wish my opponent good luck.
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Pro

NOTE: To deal with an accidental shortage of rounds, Rounds 3 and 4 are located here: http://www.debate.org...

First, to deal with Super Vegetto. Midna can use twilight portals to warp everybody to a random location on the planet in zero time. Super Vegetto does not know where this random location is, and won't be able to find it for a short while, especially if she also warps Super Vegetto to another random location. How long would it take for Super Vegetto to scour the entire planet, paying attention to where he's going and what he's seeing?

So, it appears that I can only use the Egyptian God cards. I'll put them to good use.

"Having the power to change form and having the power to mimic the appearance are not necessarily the same."
True. However, Midna has the power to change form. Furthermore, she was able to instantly transform into Ilia without actually ever seeing her, presumably by reading Link's mind. Her list of abilities mentions her psychokinesis. This would allow her to simply turn into Keiko and defeat Yusuke.

Now, Dr. Strange can't cast spells without talking.
From his Wiki article:
"He also depends on spoken incantations, mystical gesturing, and his arcane artifacts in his duties."
In your video, Dr. Strange could have already spoken his incantation, thus allowing him to appear in front of Spider-Man.
Midna could warp Link and Dr. Strange right in front of each other in some random location. Before Dr. Strange could mutter anything, Link could use the Mortal Draw and slay him on the spot, or pull out his bow and fire a bomb arrow at Dr. Strange's head. He is only human when it comes to physical blows.

Now, to deal with Zero. He could simply be placed in this random location that I will not disclose, facing away from everybody, with Kaiba right behind him. Kaiba could easily clonk him on the head with a duel disk, knocking him unconscious long enough for Link to slice off his head after dealing with Dr. Strange.

Reed Richardson appears a few hundred meters away from everybody else. Yugi can use the Millennium Rod to take control of him, with Dr. Strange already dead and unable to help him. Reed Richardson then is able to use the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Super Vegetto, wherever he may be.

Now, what would Super Vegetto find if he managed to locate my team? He'd find the three Egyptian Gods surrounding them, all ready to destroy Super Vegetto. They'd stall him long enough for Reed Richards to use the Ultimate Nullifier.

So, the full battle plan:

At the start, in zero time, Midna uses her Twilight power and warps Yugi, Kaiba, Link, Jimmy Buffett, Zero, Dr. Strange, and Reed Richards to some random location and Super Vegetto to another location.
Yugi uses the Millennium Necklace to determine which random location Super Vegetto would check last, allowing for more time.
Midna also instantly turns into Keiko, and is able to defeat Yusuke. YUSUKE ELIMINATED.
Super Vegetto starts to look for wherever Team PRO happens to be.
Upon arrival, Link immediately slays Dr. Strange, and Kaiba knocks Zero unconscious with his duel disk, allowing Link to come over and Finish him (http://zelda.wikia.com...). DR. STRANGE and ZERO ELIMINATED.
Yugi uses the Millennium Rod to take control of Reed Richardson.
Super Vegetto eventually locates Team PRO, but has to get through the Egyptian Gods first. They stall him for a while, until Yugi commands Reed Richardson to destroy Super Vegetto with the Ultimate Nullifier. SUPER VEGETTO ELIMINATED.
Finally, Reed Richardson uses the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Yusuke, should he still be alive. YUSUKE RE-ELIMINATED.
Yugi then has Reed Richardson allow himself to be killed by either the Egyptian Gods or Link. REED RICHARDSON ELIMINATED.
If that doesn't work, Midna could warp hot lava onto Reed Richards, which would defeat even him. REED RICHARDSON ELIMINATED AGAIN.

VICTORY TO TEAM PRO.

This was great. Thanks.
Logical-Master

Con

[color=red][b] First, to deal with Super Vegetto. Midna can use twilight portals to warp everybody to a random location on the planet in zero time. Super Vegetto does not know where this random location is, and won't be able to find it for a short while, especially if she also warps Super Vegetto to another random location. How long would it take for Super Vegetto to scour the entire planet, paying attention to where he's going and what he's seeing? [/b][/color]

1) Again, there is nothing to suggest that anyone on my opponent's team is fast enough to do anything before someone who is fast enough to circumvent the earth dozens of times (in mere seconds) attacks/kills them all.
2) Even if this "warp" tactic succeeded, PRO forgets that Super Vegetto (being half Goku) knows instant transmission and can sense life. Thus, he could easily teleport back to Midna's location. Or heck, he could just destroy the entire planet.

[color=blue][b] True. However, Midna has the power to change form. Furthermore, she was able to instantly transform into Ilia without actually ever seeing her, presumably by reading Link's mind. Her list of abilities mentions her psychokinesis. This would allow her to simply turn into Keiko and defeat Yusuke. [/b][/color]

It would appear I was mistaken about Midna. Nevertheless, I'm not mistaken in regards to her not being fast enough to pull this trick off. Once again, watch the video I provided in the previous round(specifically: 2:59-3:04) and then keep in mind that Yusuke is demonstrated to have a level of power far beyond that of Super Vegetto (who has a level of power far beyond SS Gotenks). There is nothing to indicate that Midna can even process a thought as fast as either character's level of physical speed.

[color=green] [b] Now, Dr. Strange can't cast spells without talking. [/b][/color]

1) PRO has conceded that only the Egyptian god cards would work for the Yugio characters and has provided us with no reason to believe that spell cards/trap cards would work without there already having been a duel a set up. Thus, the argument (Dr. Strange being buried, via spell card)) is null and void.

2) You can watch the video I provided in the previous round and observe how Strange teleports to and from the scene. Now my opponent argues that Strange made an incantation beforehand, but that still wouldn't explained how he teleported AFTER briefly talking to Spider-Man. There was no mention of any incantation, thus it is reasonable to conclude that Dr. Strange doesn't need to speak for ALL of his spells to work. The wiki artcile (a site where ANYONE can contribute to---also a site which is constantly vandalized) is proven false by my clear cut conclusive video evidence.

3) I must once more point out that Dr. Strange is more powerful than Midna in regards to magic as he is even more powerful than Ganondorf. This is someone whose magical powers alone have trounced god level adversaries (Dormamu and Mephisto). Thus, it is highly unlikely that Midna's magic would even work on Dr. Strange, must put him in such a situation.

[color=purple] [b] Now, to deal with Zero. He could simply be placed in this random location that I will not disclose, facing away from everybody, with Kaiba right behind him. Kaiba could easily clonk him on the head with a duel disk, knocking him unconscious long enough for Link to slice off his head after dealing with Dr. Strange. [/b] [/color]

Again, Dr. Strange can just as easily do anything Midna does . . . and better.

[color=orange] [b] Reed Richardson appears a few hundred meters away from everybody else. Yugi can use the Millennium Rod to take control of him, with Dr. Strange already dead and unable to help him. Reed Richardson then is able to use the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Super Vegetto, wherever he may be. [/b] [/color]

See above (concerning Dr. Strange as well as all I've said regarding speed blitzing).

[b]Now, what would Super Vegetto find if he managed to locate my team? He'd find the three Egyptian Gods surrounding them, all ready to destroy Super Vegetto. They'd stall him long enough for Reed Richards to use the Ultimate Nullifier.[/b]

Considering that none of the Egyptian gods are even strong enough to destroy a planet, much less move as fast as Super Vegetto, it's highly unlikely that the situation would result like this. Not to mention that Super Vegetto could simply teleport to Yugi or Kaiba's location and kill them.

With that said, my team's plan is simple. Super Vegetto (who can easily destroy planets or circle the earth dozens of times in mere seconds) kills everyone on my opponent's team before they are even able to utter a thought. Even if PRO's strategy commenced, the plan relies entirely on getting rid of Dr. Strange so that he can't cancel out anything Midna does. However, PRO's reason for getting rid of Dr. Strange is erroneous as not only do spell cards and trap cards not work without there being a duel in place, but Dr. Strange has shown himself able to teleport without an incantation.

Finally, I would like to once more point out that Yusuke can annihilate the entire planet easily just be using a small percentage of his power and quite quickly at that.

In the end. PRO's team doesn't stand a chance . . . thus I insist that you vote CON.

Thanks for the debate. :D
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
Looking back here, I'm curious as to why you picked Super Vegito over Gogeta SS4. Or Goku/Vegeta SS4 fused to become Vegito SS4. Either is far more powerful, and gives you more insurance.
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
Who would win, Superboy-Prime or Vegito? They seem to have similar powers, although from L-M's account it looks like Superboy is faster.
Posted by Yraelz 7 years ago
Yraelz
I like it, I wish debate.org was just an open source website though. We could just implement the html coding straight into it. Would make things kind of nice.
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
http://www.debate.org...

I was hoping this idea would lift off and become quite popular. Sadly, that's not the case. =(
Posted by Yraelz 7 years ago
Yraelz
I'm with Logical on this one, DBZ characters can think super fast. Lol logical, you use all of the characters which are banned from the tournament. =P Also, what's with the HTML tags?
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
Also, you'd have to be able to have the process where you were going while circling the earth as Gotenks could have just as easily flown into space and perhaps to another planet.
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
How much thinking would it take to fire an energy blast while moving at that speed to destroy everything within the radius of the battlefield?

Also, we see Goku fighting with instant transmission being integrated into his fighting style during his battle with MetaCooler (who could also use instant transmission) so it's pretty clear that these characters are thinking as fast as they are moving (if not, then faster).
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Complete control? How much thinking does it take to circle the Earth? Plus, the image was zoomed out a tad bit too much to draw any conclusions.
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
Yes. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be able to know what he was doing while moving or fighting that fast. Watch Gotenks and notice how he has complete control over what he is doing while flying around the earth so many times in mere seconds (casually might add).
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Wait, so Super Vegetto can think at light-speed as well?
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