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Morality is not Realtive

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Started: 6/19/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Latashab

Pro

Is it right to judge someone"s beliefs or custom? Most people believe that their customs are better than a different cultures customs. According to Benedict the "Black Magic Island" their customs and beliefs are that they shouldn"t trust anyone because they will kill you. To people in certain society"s this is crazy because the conclusion to their beliefs is that you shouldn"t even trust your mother/father/family members. However, to them that is normal. Being friendly and kind is abnormal for them. Looking into someone"s society people judge others. However, if a certain society was to come to America we would expect them to learn English, get an education, and "live the America dream". On the other hand we look into their society as beneath us. When the English came to the "New World" they thought the Indians were savaged and behaved barbaric. Who"s to say what is moral and what isn"t? What gives people the right to decide? If you don"t want others to judge you why judge others?
In certain societies such as the eskimo"s, they kill their female babies. This is so because they need more men to hunt to bring back food and in their culture "a woman belongs in a home". So killing off the female offspring makes it less people to feed and if males are born more people to hunt for food. Some religions don"t believe in eating cows but others do. What makes other religions more superior than others ? In America people do kill their babies, abortions, or literally just killing them. On that note people will still continue to raise their noses to other societies
Krc9692

Con

Arguments AGAINST:
Morality is relative. This means that you do not rely on the opinion of others because there are already a set of rules for you to follow. This leads to there being an objective moral standard.
1.If morality is relative, then you have an idea of moral progress.
2.If there is moral progress, then there is a moral standard.
3.If there is a moral standard, then you rely on the opinion of the majority.
4.If you rely on the opinion of the majority, then you do not make hard decisions about morality.
5.This implies there are already a set of rules to follow.
6.If this is the case, then there is an objective standard.
7.If there is an objective standard, then murder would be morally wrong
8.Therefore, morality is relative.
Debate Round No. 1
Latashab

Pro

Whos to say that there isn't a moral standard. Each society has their own moral standard. Even in Education there is a standard. In education children have to meet a certain criteria to get to the next level. For example, if by a certain time a child doesn't read on a certain level they don't succeed to the next level. Secondly, there is always an moral opinion because in Socrates trail the jury had to majority vote on what is the correct forms of punishment for him. In certain societies murder is not wrong as i stated before some parts in Egypt a man has the right to kill his wife if she is caught cheating on him. In America people are put on death role for rapes etc. now is that wrong because they physically harmed another why should they be able to live ?
Krc9692

Con

People who are put on death role for rapes is because it is morally wrong what they did to another human being. it is not okay to kill a baby when they have no idea of what is going on in the world. The person who would've committed this crime is morally wrong for murdering a human being that depends on someone else to raise it. Morality is relative here.
Debate Round No. 2
Latashab

Pro

If someone you knew was rape you wouldn"t want to their rapist to be punished. Why do you think it is okay for them to live? It is morally wrong to rape people in some societies however, in some rapist mind they believe what they are doing is correct. So in society who decides what is right? People have their own opinion on what is right and what is wrong? There are always standards and always will be because people judge each other and other societies all the time since middle ages. With the Indians and English, homosexuality, and religions. So you"re telling me that you have never judged anyone on appearance or anything? It"s in human nature to judge and hold standards, it doesn"t happen on purpose but it happens. When a guy approaches you or someone wants to date you do you simply just talk to him or does he has to be 6 feet tall and with tattoos play a sport? You already know what you like so you have your standards. People make hard decisions everyday do you think it is easy for Eskimos to murder their children but they know it"s a sacrifice and it is what they have to do in order to survive. If someone is brought up in a certain religion why do you disagree on their customs? You disagree because of how you were brought up and your beliefs. If you were to live in the bush with a different culture would you think that what they are doing is wrong? To them they are morally correct because of how they were brought up. When you go to different countries some Americans are looked at as jack butt because of certain actions we make or say. This is only so because everyone has their own STANDARD. What"s wrong with standards? If you were trapped in on an island with no food and it came down to eating people who died of starvation would you? Or would you think oh no we have to just leave them there and I starve and die along with them?
Krc9692

Con

In the minds of the rapist it is okay but not to other person. Rape is sexually throwing themselves on someone while the other person does not wants this. Homosexuality is morally wrong in religion. There is nothing wrong with standards, as long as they are morally correct. If a guy approaches me and he looks like a thug that lives on the street and does nothing with his life, I would not even want to bother with that guy. That is morally right because I want better for myself and need someone to be able to support me. I cannot rely on someone from the streets and does nothing with their life all day. It may be right to the eskimos, but is it still wrong to kill a human being that depended on them. This infant did not do anything wrong and did not have an idea of what was going on. If that is the case, then they should not have kids at all. Why bring a human in to this world if they will just be taken out of it so soon? Then why do they kill? For sport?
Debate Round No. 3
Latashab

Pro

What makes it wrong to kill a human being? It"s how you feel that makes you feel that way to other societies it is normal. There is nothing abnormal about killing someone. Why would you justify a rapist being murdered if you don"t agree with it? So you"re basically having a standard already! And if a guy approaches you and you don"t like his appearance you already have a standard. So what moral code is that? What makes your standard on the type of guy you will like morally correct? If you don"t understand someone"s culture or religion then how can you judge them? If a guy wants to dress like a thug and looks as if he is doing nothing with himself how would you know if you don"t inquire and investigate? He may like to dress and act that way doesn"t necessarily mean he is a douche bag and does nothing with himself. As for why people bring children into the world they don"t want, some people in different parts of the world don"t know what contraception"s are. And as I stated before in the Eskimos society they want more male babies than females because more people are able to hunt as apposed if it were more females. They believe a woman belongs in a household. So how do we separate religion for morality is there a way is it even possible because certain beliefs come from religion.
Krc9692

Con

Morality is relative. If the rape was decriminalized and there was no moral standard then everyone would be free to do as they please. This would mean all crime was legal and there would be no legal system and trial of law as well. Same as cheating. For example, it is not okay to cheat on a college exam or paper. This would be plagiarizing someone else"s work and would be reported to school officials as well if this were to happen. Cheating on a paper is to say that you are lazy and not fully dedicated to your college studies. It is morally right for someone to get reported and perhaps expelled from the college. If it were to come out that you cheated, this would just ruin the reputation and the name of the school you attend. This is why universities hold high standards when it comes to morality. Or if you happen to cheat on your spouse. If you were married in a church, in front of a priest and God, it is morally wrong to cheat on your significant other. You promised till death do you part and to be faithful to one another in front of God. Marriage is something between two people that is sacred in religion. You cannot marry someone and then the next day decide to cheat on them because you do not want them anymore. It is wrong to the other person.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Krc9692 3 years ago
Krc9692
Arguments AGAINST:
Morality is relative. This means that you do not rely on the opinion of others because there are already a set of rules for you to follow. This leads to there being an objective moral standard.
1.If morality is relative, then you have an idea of moral progress.
2.If there is moral progress, then there is a moral standard.
3.If there is a moral standard, then you rely on the opinion of the majority.
4.If you rely on the opinion of the majority, then you do not make hard decisions about morality.
5.This implies there are already a set of rules to follow.
6.If this is the case, then there is an objective standard.
7.If there is an objective standard, then murder would be morally wrong
8.Therefore, morality is relative.
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