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RCollazo
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fatimabbz
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Morality is not relative

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Started: 6/19/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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RCollazo

Pro

Morality is not relative. There is only one morally right or wrong answer. For example, murder is morally wrong, just because a society were to believe that a festival, where murdering people is ok once a year, does not make it right. Morality should not change from place to place, or culture to culture. If morality were different throughout the world, the human race as a whole would not progress. Since we have progressed from our past, we have learned that some things may have been morally wrong, and made a change to make it right. If we were to solely accept other societies or cultures on their moral right or wrong, then slavery would still be intact. Since there are morals that are universal and that societies share as a whole, this means that some morals are necessary for society to function. Due to the fact that there are universally right morals, that leads to show that there are some that are universally wrong. Therefore, if morality is relative there would be no change and every other opinion would not matter in a society.

(1.) There are not multiple moral rights and wrongs to murder.
(2.) A moral code should not change from culture to culture.
(3.) Progression is a sign of change from a past culture.
(4.) Hence, morality cannot be relative if judgment is passed and there is progression.
fatimabbz

Con

Moral is relative. It is not any one"s fault for begin a socio path, or murdering all those children because they were raised, and brought up in an evil society where they did not know right from wrong. It is their understanding of life to function that way. Everyone should have their own personal preference whether it is right or wrong. No culture is wrong. We must respect different beliefs and values from different societies.
Debate Round No. 1
RCollazo

Pro

Everyone has the capability of thinking for themselves. To say that someone doesn't have the fault on not being able to think that something is wrong or right is in itself wrong. If we are taught from a certain age that something is right, and grow to learn that it indeed is not right, we can change our ways. You're right, children may not know right from wrong in the beginning, but as they grow older, they can determine what is right or wrong. For example, a child that is raised in a Pacific Island and was taught cannibalism, then moves to the United States where it is morally wrong, does not mean that the child will continue to be a cannibal. That child is being introduced as to why exactly it is wrong to eat human flesh. Another point that you made that is correct is about personal preference. Absolutely, I should be able to determine whether or not I want to eat fish or steak for dinner, or the fact that I like the color blue over red. Just because I have a personal preference does not mean that I have to conduct a morally wrong act. These cultures may not think they are wrong, but they are indeed wrong in making these conclusions and accepting it because it is a tradition.

We all have free will and can think for ourselves, we should not let what someone of a higher position in society dictate that. Being a sociopath does not mean that the person does not know what is morally right or wrong. Murder is a universally moral wrong answer, which is why there are laws against it. Just as we all appreciate honesty, trust is necessary in all parts of our lives. Imagine living in a world where you could not completely trust anyone?
fatimabbz

Con

We live in a world where we can't trust no one. Why are all our doors locked? why do we have pins, and passwords? We can't trust no one, that's just reality. it is taught within in certain age to know right from wrong, how ever what if one is raised in an evil society where one does not know right from wrong. For example, all those socio paths are the way they are for a reason, if you dig deep enough you will find all the answers. Obviously it is wrong to harm, to murder, what if you don't know any better? is it really your fault? there are many cultures out there and they are not all like AMERICA. we must accept all these cultures, show one another right from wrong. I'm sure if given ultimatums everyone would listen, is there really going to be that person who grabs every single society to do what asked or be apart of there culture? i think not! no given time! i think not! Morality is relative, and will remain that way.
Debate Round No. 2
RCollazo

Pro

You do not think we can trust anyone? Not even our parents, siblings or significant others? I do not lock the door to my house or room, in fact the people I live with all leave their information out. We have pins and passwords because we enjoy our privacy, and yes unfortunately that privacy may be nonexistent. Of course it can be easily said that we must not trust anyone, but in actuality, we HAVE to. In order for society to progress, there has to be some trust. I am not saying America is completely innocent and that our country is one hundred percent morally right in everything we do. Sociopaths may be the way they are for a certain reason, but what if they love killing, even though it is wrong and were taught it was wrong. If you don't know any better, then there must be some way to teach them the right way. Just because something is right in one culture does no deem it right throughout the world. The United States is not the only country that dictates certain things right or wrong, there are many countries throughout the world that believe the same things. This leads me into speaking about morals that are universal. We cannot solely accept one societies views on a morally wrong act because that is the way they were raised of because they do not know any better, that would be ignorant of us to do that. If we are capable of showing them a better way of living, why would we hold ourselves back from teaching them that. Sure, why can't there be a group of individuals who spread a message and change the world? It has been attempted in the past. MLK fought for civil rights, Abe Lincoln fought for the freedom of slaves. If those things would not have happened, we would be living in a society where progression is impossible. If there is progression in societies, that means that morality is not relative.
fatimabbz

Con

who would take there time of day to spread a message like this across? One cannot condemn the different view points, the cultures, and societies, we have to deal with it. Being morally relative is a choice like you said Lincoln fought for freedom, it is within our "freedom" to do what we want in our lifes'. Now come to America and murder some one, that's a different story you are in American grounds, go to another land where its allowed, by all means to what you have to do. It is within your perception what you believe is morally right or wrong, how you where brought up how you where raised, taught, etc.. We have a choice, so choose, it's America.
Debate Round No. 3
RCollazo

Pro

So you are saying that slavery in another land is o.k.? In today's age, sex slaves are the slaves of our era. Is it alright for me to have a woman please me to my every desire without her having a say so? I think no. Many people have taken the time of day to make such acts a reality. Why wouldn't anyone want to make a difference in someone else's life? In order to make changes we have to start individually, and spread the message. We have passed judgment on our past society, is that wrong? It is a sign of progression, and if we can progress from what was morally wrong back then, that means we can progress from things taht are morally wrong at this moment. People all over the world have this choice, we are born with free will. Americans are not the only ones with freedom. If we pass judgment on other societies, on our own past society and have deemed it wrong then that means we can move on from something morally wrong to something that is morally right. There are morals that are universally right and ones that are universally wrong. Morality cannot be relative if we pass judgment on any society, including our own past society.
fatimabbz

Con

fatimabbz forfeited this round.
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