Mormonism is false
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according to mormonism, baptism is a major part of the gospel and it was widely practiced throughout the old testament times and Adam was the first to be baptized
however, in the Old Testament, there are absolutely no mentions or descriptions of baptisms. if baptism was so crucial to their gospel throughout the Old Testament times, they must have written a lot about it in their scriptures, but they didnt. it is clear that baptism was popularized around the time of jesus. this contradicts mormonism, so mormonism isnt true
Also, even though the old testament does not directly mention baptism, it does have a lot of mentions of events that symbolize baptism. In the story of Noahs ark, all of the sin is purged from the earth. Another example of when the old testament sybolizes baptism is the story of Moses when he parts the red sea. The israelites are saved by water, and the egyptians (who represent sin) were destroyed through water. (Paul talks about this in 1 Corinthians 10: 1-2) The last example that I am going to give is the example of Naaman. He was healed from leaposy after obeying Elisha's instructions to dip seven times in the river Jordan. These are only a few examples of when the old testament mentions baptism symbolically. if you want more go to http://cgca.net...
They both mention a lot of other examples of symbolic baptism in the old testament.
Even though baptism is not directly mentioned in the old testament, it is mentioned symbolically, and is also mentioned a lot in the other books that the Lds church believes in. His claim that, "it is clear that baptism was popularized around the time of jesus. this contradicts mormonism, so mormonism isnt true" is not true because the old testament did believe it was important, and sybolized it a lot because of this.
so let me get this straight, you believe that people living over a thousand years after baptism was established as a key component to their religion, still didnt have a single scripture that mentioned baptism? and that even people living 6,000 years after adam and eve, still didnt have a complete set of baptism rules written down into scripture, until joseph smith wrote them? if god really did have a prophet in the old testament times, why wouldnt god have had his prophet write down the doctrine surrounding baptism? the type of god that mormons believe in is very strict and organized about things like baptism. mormons must keep official records and genealogy of everyone who they've baptized, including baptisms on behalf of the dead. there are many strict rules about baptism that must be followed, like full immersion, and who it is who can or cant baptize or be baptized, what priesthood you need to perform it and how you get that priesthood, at what age you can be baptized, the laying on of hands, and the words you speak when performing it, rules for baptizing the dead, etc. if one small thing is not done right, the baptism is void and doesnt count, and that person wont be able to advance in an afterlife until they are baptized properly. of all the detail the old testament goes into, god and his followers would have made sure that it was put in the scriptures as a priority.
"Also, even though the old testament does not directly mention baptism, it does have a lot
of mentions of events that symbolize baptism."
there arent a lot, there are a few, and that doesnt mean that baptism happened in the old testament. those scriptures were written as an analogy for for why baptism was created in their time.
"the old testament did believe it was important, and symbolized it a lot because of this."
so Naaman got leprosy so that he could symbolize baptism? and how does moses parting the sea, or noahs flood show any kind of deliberate effort to symbolize baptism? moses parted the sea to escape, not to be baptized. and they didnt even enter into the water, the ones who were saved because of noah and moses, were saved by avoiding the water, not by going into the water. and it is so easy to find analogies to baptism in a book. i could find things in harry potter that relate to water, or repentance, or sacrifice, or forgiveness, but that doesnt mean that the writer intended to symbolize baptism.
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