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Most of so-called 'Anti-Zionist' are actually antisemitic

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Started: 10/27/2014 Category: Society
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FreedomHawk

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I know Anti Zionism is not Antisemitism , but let's put the record straight, those who believe in Zionist conspiracy theories are antisemitic for most of them

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Poisonchocolate

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I accept, knowing the fact that this will be a tough one to win votes for. Anyways, good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
FreedomHawk

Pro

When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism" Dr. Martin Luther King

Anti Zionism is not only opposing the policy of the Israeli Government :

Anti Zionism is by definition to be against the existence of the State of Israel . So , concretely , that the Jewish People should be dispossessed of their right of determination, even if it is now a fact of international law since 1948 that they have the right to self-determination (and self-defense) . So Zionism is not the push toward a "Greater Israel" or anything else, it is the right to exist for Israel as it is now

Their incredible bad faith :

- Zionist conspiracy theories exist way before Israel was created. One of the best example is the fake 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion', wrote by Russian monks in the 19th Century to justify pogroms against Jews. Anti Zionists usually use some extract of this book in their videos or texts
- Most of the time, Anti Zionists use typical antisemitic rethoric, as liking Israel to Nazi Germany. Or condemn only Israel while ignoring far worst actions of other countries (for example Gaza 2014 : 2,000 deaths ; Syria : 200,000 deaths) .

Anti Zionists are, on a moral point of view, bullies :

Let's tell a story , which could be the one of everyone of us. We are in a school , there is this guy, hardworking and who get the best grades, but get, mostly because of it , rejected, then repeatedly assaulted . People envies his success , thinks he's weak and he's just here to subish everything, think he's a victim, and he should not even live (Shoah, pogroms) A few time later this same boy decides that he has enough, he goes elsewhere, take his life in his own hands. In his new place, he finds some other bullies , who think the same as other bullies, and try to make him subish the same thing he subished in the past. But this time , the boy stands his ground, and crushes his new bullies, and makes in sort that they are no more a threat (Arab Israeli wars, war on terror) .
And now, you have the first bullies, full of hatred, like dogs furious that their prey is out of range. So they express it, and the worst is that they do it using a 'humanitarian rethoric' . But if you look well, most of them are from far-right or far-left movements (first bullies) or radical islamists (new bullies).

Who do you stand with? With the boy who wants to live in peace, and not to be a victim anymore? Or with the bullies? Concerning me, my choice is done. I know everything is not so simple, but this story explains what annoys me the most with this 'anti Zionist' thing .

For conclusion, Anti Zionism is antisemitism, because it is to deny the right for the Jewish people of self-determination, which is different to those who just criticizes the current government in Israel, because these theories exist before the existence of the State of Israel. They dream of the annihilation of the Jewish people, because destroying Israel, and force the Jews to be a vulnerable minority , dispersed everywhere in the world, would mean no ability for them to defend themselves.
Poisonchocolate

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Poisonchocolate forfeited this round.
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FreedomHawk

Pro

Well, don't know what to say, hard to rebutt arguments which haven't been given yet :s
Poisonchocolate

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FreedomHawk

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Poisonchocolate

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by sabrin100 2 years ago
sabrin100
Many Jews are anti -Zionists and many of them are religious . I assume they are antisemitic . Semitic people do not include only Jews .
Posted by Imperfiect 2 years ago
Imperfiect
The definition of anti semitism includes hating Jews as a national group. Con can't win.
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