The Instigator
revleader5
Pro (for)
Losing
18 Points
The Contender
Mogget
Con (against)
Winning
45 Points

Most of the people on this website vote based on their standing on the issue not the debate.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/27/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,071 times Debate No: 4229
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revleader5

Pro

I am here to prove that most of the people on this site vote based on their pre-conceived ideas on the issue not the actual debate.

This first round don't really debate anything. I just made it 4 rounds so I could get a little statement in.
Mogget

Con

Okay. Go for it.

"We'd moved to the west coast
Away from everyone
She never told me that you called
Back when I was still
I was still in love"
Debate Round No. 1
revleader5

Pro

revleader5 forfeited this round.
Mogget

Con

Well considering no one is currently arguing for or against anything I don't suppose the forfeit really counts in my favor at all. Hopefully I will have something to argue against next round.
Debate Round No. 2
revleader5

Pro

Sorry. I was being lazy. To argue this debate I'm going to have to cite all sorts of debates where someone playing Devil's advocate made an amazing debate, and still lost.

Instead, I'll appeal to everyone's memories. Do any of you recall when you made an astounding argument, but you were fighting in a debate where you didn't even believe in your own arguments? That is what happens all the time. When someone has an unfavorable view, people vote based on the view, not argument. There isn't anyone on here who hasn't felt that.
Mogget

Con

Everything Revleader5 said in his last speech was completely true.

Many people do vote based on what their view is.

But that my fellow debaters is not what this debate is about. We are debating whether or not most people exhibit this particular behavior. To disprove the point I will be citing a few debates from debaters who appear to be well known on this cite.

The first is this:

http://www.debate.org...

A debate in which the instigator argues that if god exists then we should not follow god. An unpopular position to say the least. It is apparent that the instigator however is winning by a 5 vote margin. Why would this be? The answer lies in the contenders 2nd a 3rd round, the rounds which he forfeited. It is apparent through this example that while debaters will vote solely on the popular position, more debaters will vote based on forfeits. This debate proves that most people do not vote for the popular position but rather vote for forfeits.

Second example....

http://www.debate.org...

A debate in which the instigator creates a bullet proof position that cannot be argued against. The number ten does not equal the number five. In this debate it is apparent that 4 debaters voted for what is quite obviously the truth. 19 however voted for the contender and the unpopular position. Why? Perhaps because the instigator appeared to be a troll or was just flat out annoying. Either way this proves once again that people will vote for other reasons than standing on the issue more often than not.
Debate Round No. 3
revleader5

Pro

I'm lazy...so...

Everyone on here should know the feeling of losing a debate because of bias on an issue? Correct?
Mogget

Con

I'm sure everyone here does know the feeling of losing a debate based on bias towards one position or another. This however does not uphold the resolution which states,

"Most of the people on this website vote based on their standing on the issue not the debate."

A similar situation would be me stating that "MOST of the people I know are angry", then to support my claim stating, "Everyone knows that feeling when someone has been an angry at you." Yeah, the second statement is true, but it doesn't mean that MOST people are angry.

In this case my Revleader5 has shown that some people do vote based on bias. This is not to say MOST, I have given compelling counter arguments, I urge a Con vote.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Im_always_right 8 years ago
Im_always_right
I agree... each unargued round =2 votes against the debater who has not argued, that would cut down on unjust wins that occur.
Posted by bthr004 8 years ago
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I say the site should strike votes on oppositions that forfeited rounds.
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
i think a great way to cut down on bad votes, and debaters confusion as to why they are winning/loosing would to require some comment on why the voter voted the way they did. sure, some people will flame, and some will just put "character limit...", but most people will give a reason. and with that reason we would know why were winning or loosing. if a voter leaves a critique of the debate, and comments on how the debaters could improve, all the better. precious few voters leave any comment on the debates they vote on. fewer still on why they voted. requiring them to would remove the mystery of why were loosing when we thought we won, or why were winning when we thought we lost.
Posted by HandsOff 8 years ago
HandsOff
If you want to get right down to it, I agree. The majority is not known for their tendency to do the smart thing or the right thing. They are more likely to vote to satisfy their whims.
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Edit:

I meant to say "to be taken down."
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Based on my recent studies of this website, that was one of the conclusions I had reached, handsoff. It was good in theory, but I think the voting system is long overdue to taken down (unless a more objective system can be developed, which I highly doubt). Let the comments in the comment section serve as means to let debaters know how they did in the debate. That way, one could separate the trolls, people with vendettas, and and/or people who haven't bothered the reading the debate from the people who've read the debate and are genuinely interested in it.

Furthermore, I think there needs to be an incentive for people to actually comment on these debates. As I notice that the people who vote hardly ever do so, thus leaving the debater(s) confused about why he/she/they is/are winning/losing.
Posted by HandsOff 8 years ago
HandsOff
I've found that respectful debaters get respect in return from most voters on this site, regardless of what the issue is. It is the people who use this site to toss around personal insults who have to worry about retaliation in the voting phase.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 8 years ago
Derek.Gunn
I wish people DID just vote on the issue rather than just what the debaters have thought to say.
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
while i personally agree with pro, he was outdebated by con, so im gonna have to vote with con here.
Posted by Mogget 8 years ago
Mogget
No, I admit, neither of those are good reasons to vote at all. But that fact my friend certainty does not stop people from doing just that.
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