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kels1123
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policydebategod2
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Mother should be punished for lying about dead soldier to win Hannah Montana tickets.

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Started: 12/30/2007 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kels1123

Pro

I find it to be so sick that any parent or person for that matter would make up a story like this little girl and her mother. I do not blame the child , I put all blame on the mother. What kind of example are you setting to let your child tell such a horrible lie to win concert tickets. There are people really going through such tragedy right now. For those who do not know the story. A 6 year old little girl submitted an essay to win Hannah Montana tickets, the story was about her daddy dying in Iraq. The mother also went along with the story saying that it was true , giving a name and date and saying it was a roadside bomb. They won the contest only to find out it WAS'NT TRUE. The father is a carpet cleaner and is alive and well. I think its sick and the mother should be punished by some sort of community service. Here is the article :
http://www.dallasnews.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com...

I also think they should definitely not give them the tickets, I think one article says they have now decided not to give them the tickets. I just can't believe someone would make up this sort of lie for concert tickets.
policydebategod2

Con

I'm not sure what type of punishment you're talking about but to make a law would be against free speech and is not harming anybody. To make a law not to write fictional essays is ridiculous. I assume you are talking about legal punishment because you stated they were punished for not getting th tickets.

The essay was moral because it encouraged the yong child to write and even write a moving enough to win the contest. Children should be encouraged to write and not punished.
Debate Round No. 1
kels1123

Pro

What should she be punished for , how about fraud ?????? I'm not proposing that a new law is made. It was supposed to be a true essay to win tickets. This mother had her 6 year old lie and then she herself went ahead and committed fraud , she gave the people running the contest a false name of a US soldier , and a false date of death. She committed fraud , I would think community service or a fine would be a good punishment for that. Since when is it a good thing to encourage your children to lie to get what they want???
policydebategod2

Con

policydebategod2 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
kels1123

Pro

Since my opponent forfeited and I sick today I will keep this brief, my just stating the mother let the young girl lie and commit fraud and then the mother further carried it on by making a statement to the company that yes her husband had died in Iraq. She gave a false name and a false date of death , she also gave a cause of death. That should at least be fraud . I am not stating we should make a new law or even that she does hard time. I do however think she should be fined or ordered to do community service maybe with disabled VETS (might learn a lesson or two)
policydebategod2

Con

policydebategod2 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Danielle 9 years ago
Danielle
I would actually vote Con, but sadly he did not make a good argument :(
Posted by GaryBacon 9 years ago
GaryBacon
Against free speech? Give me a break!! Fraud is not included in freedom of speech. I can't see where Con is coming from.
Posted by bamadebater 9 years ago
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That's the point...the little girl's dad is live and well cleaning carpets. To think this daughter but most of all the mother made up a name of a soldier and a death plus a date is wrong. When the contest advisors asked them about the name and date and what happened of the soldier they could have fessed up then...but they didn't.
Posted by ImAPanicBomb447 9 years ago
ImAPanicBomb447
If the contest rules said it had to be true then she just shouldn't have received the prizes. But I find this unlikely since that would require the people running the contest to actually fact-check the essays, which would be HIGHLY intrusive on a little girl whose dad just died.

Aside from that, I have no reason to think any laws were broken.
Posted by bamadebater 9 years ago
bamadebater
The bad thing is that if you read the essay you can clearly see the mother helped her with that. Even if she didn't help (kids do have crazy imaginations) the mother should be punished. For anyone with people that they care about in the military and overseas they know that having them die or in any kind of danger is the worst thing to imagine. Imagining them dieing is unbearable. Making up a lie about something so awful and life changing and real right now is unacceptable and there should be some kind of punishment enforced.

By the way I voted for Pro. Clearly the better debating.
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
Gack, it wasn't even the daughter who made the essay, it was the mother.
Posted by Korezaan 9 years ago
Korezaan
I affirm. This comment is now over 25 characters.
Posted by gack1224 9 years ago
gack1224
It depends on if the contest rules clearly indicate that the essay must be true. As it's written, it (the essay) should be taken as fictional poetic sentences. If the contest rules state that the essay must have been true, then by all means withdraw the grand prize. But otherwise, the girl is "a good writer" if she won on face. She wins if it's just "a moving essay" and loses if it's "a true story". She can make up whatever she wants if it's fictional.
Posted by gonovice 9 years ago
gonovice
I think that it's sick that a mother to do that. some people have actually had a loved one die over there and to use that for personal use is just immoral. she should deal with fraud charges. too bad she can't get worse.
Posted by Capt.Herp 9 years ago
Capt.Herp
The mother should be required to at least pay for the tickets and the airfare. It's impossible, at this juncture, to punish a six-year-old for something her mother did, but the mother cheated honest contestants out of their chance at the prize, and she should have to pay the price for that. It wasn't the child's fault that she had an opportunistic jerk for a mother.

That being said, as a followup to the poster who talked about "legislating morality," I'm sorry, but morality is legislated all the time (there are laws against stealing, rape, murder, fraud -- which is what this is, and many other crimes involving a lack of morality. Society's laws FUNCTION because lawmakers "legislated morality," and I have always considered that "you can't legislate morality" statement to be both robotic and invalid -- no offense, but it's just a holdover from the 60s when the hip generation looked down their noses as the stodgy old establishment pigs). I don't believe that kels1123 was proposing making a new law. I do believe that if the mother had to pay a penalty to the contest holder for defrauding, as I said, honest contestants out of having a fair chance at the prize, the mother might learn something valuable that she might consider passing on to her child, that being: there is no excuse for lying, no matter what you think you will gain by doing so.
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