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Muhammad is more influential than Henry Ford

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mayoraladdin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/8/2014 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mayoraladdin

Pro

I opine that Muhammad is more influential than Henry Ford. Muhammad is a religious and secular leader who united the Bedouin tribes in the Middle East. He shaped the way we look at the Middle East today as a hodgepodge of different cultures and tensions because he founded the second-most practiced religion in the world: Islam. With the inception of Islam, there was a booming economy as a result of more trade in the Middle East and North Africa. Because Muslims wanted to follow Muhammad's example, there were more merchants and traders than ever before because Muhammad himself was a trade. More trade led to the development of better roads and more trade routes that facilitated the Mongols in the 13th century to establish the Pax Mongolica. The increased trade also caused more theorists to study the science behind the economy, which spread to Europe during the Enlightenment, giving birth to capitalism and Adam Smith's ideas of supply and demand. Islam became a strong unifying force for the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates and the Ottoman Empire. The tax system of the Umayyad and Abbasid states was based on whether the citizens were Arab Muslims, non-Arab Muslims, or "people of the book" such as Jews and Christians. Islam was also important to these political institutions in that it provided motive for expansion. The Umayyad expanded across the Middle East conquering their Persian neighbor to the North while spreading across North Africa. This caused a bunch of diverse cultures that haven't converted to Islam to be a part of a political roof that they did not want to support. This has contributed to the tensions found in the Balkan Powder Keg and the violence in the Middle East today. The expansion of Islam into Africa and the Middle East has influenced languages being spoken today such as Swahili, Farsi, and Urdu. Furthermore, the Arabic language was used more after Muhammad recited the Koran because the Koran was written down in Arabic and disseminated across the Islamic Caliphates. As a result, calligraphy emerged from Arabic writing. All of these effects of Islam can be traced back to Muhammad because Islamic culture was founded by Muhammad.
Meanwhile, Henry Ford made a car.
Who do you think has more influence on our world? It is evident that Muhammad has had more of an impact than Henry Ford.
Snikrot

Con

Although I accept Muhammed united the Middle East, if it was broken into smaller nations though there would be border disputes, a split Middle East would benefit with multiple cultures, each with its own government, Religion, policies and ideas, resulting in a Middle East far more economically and socially balanced than it is today. By the modern day these warring nations would probably democratic due to European influence. Also, if they were split into different nations, the Balkan Powder Keg would have 'exploded' long ago because there would be no Islam to stop it and force it to bulge even more.

Henry Ford however, not only made a car, he made the first mass produced, affordable, smooth driving car which increased the popularity of automobiles as a whole, and made people all over the US and Great Britain see horses more like the sporting animals and pets as we see them today. Without Henry Ford and his ingenious invention. Automobiles now would have looked more likes we had in the sixties and early seventies, not the efficient, sleek vehicles we have today. And pollution would be skyrocketing, ripping holes through the ozone layer. There would also be the leaded fuel of yesteryear, causing thousands of deaths a year.
Debate Round No. 1
mayoraladdin

Pro

You make some very good points on Muhammad uniting the Middle East. Although, they are all hypothetical. Even if they may be true, the Middle East would not have been shaped in the way it has today with continual disarray. In your hypothetical situation, the Balkan Powder Keg would be a regular example of neighboring countries fighting for power, but Islam shaped it so that power isn't their motive, but freedom from a political institution that the people do not want to have. Take Iran under the rule of Khomeini as an example.
A belief you have is that the Middle East would have been more economically and socially balanced if Islam had not caused cultural tensions. This is proving the point that Muhammad is influential because his founding of Islam influenced the Middle East today. Without it, the Middle East would be completely different enforcing the idea that Muhammad is important in shaping the modern world.

Although I am not denying the fact that Henry Ford is influential in the economic and to some extent, the cultural aspects of our world today, I argue that Muhammad is more influential because he had a broader impact on the world. Muhammad impacted economics by stimulating the minds of economic theorists to come up with commercial ideas such as supply and demand as well as capitalism, which allowed for Ford to have whatever influence you have stated. Muhammad also influenced cultural aspects like other religions, as well as serving as a political ideology for the Caliphates. Islam affected art, music, and even handwriting because of its sponsoring of education, which led to Muslims in Baghdad and Damascus (centers of learning that served as the capitals of the Islamic Empires) preserving Greek and Roman culture. This preservation allowed for the Renaissance to take place. These centers of learning attracted many intellectual thinkers and diversified science into fields such as chemistry and zoology. It was in these centers that distillation to create stronger alcoholic drinks was discovered. One might believe that all of Islamic ideals are not solely due to Muhammad, but the reality is that all these beliefs sprung form his founding of Islam. To sum up, Henry Ford's impact is not as large as Muhammad's impact.
Snikrot

Con

Snikrot forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
mayoraladdin

Pro

I extend my arguments.
Snikrot

Con

Snikrot forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
mayoraladdin

Pro

The reason I created this debate was that I lost this debate before. I thought I did a pretty good job, but my partner did much better. After this debate, it is clear to me that I could have won easily in that debate. Good job Con for offering some strong points in round one. Thanks for accepting a very difficult debate!
Arguments extended.
Snikrot

Con

Snikrot forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Snikrot 3 years ago
Snikrot
Sorry I forfeited those rounds mayor Aladdin
Posted by Uh-Ha 3 years ago
Uh-Ha
Gentlemen....I migt point out something quite obvious that will tip this debate decisively without further comment needed. The Moslem world has a reliance on the work of Henry Ford just as we have. Most Moslems drive around in motor cars, or exist on products from motor transport. Far too many Moslem countries rely on OIL as a source of standard national income, something that would not be possible without the motor industry. In short, most Moslems are already highly influenced by Henry Ford.

On the other hand, there are not as many Westerners that drive a car or rely on motor transport, (nearly 99 %) that are influenced in in way whatsoever by the teachings of The Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him). Most Westerners could not care less about their own Church, let alone the teacings of somebody from the 7th century. Despite what the Bible Belt seems to believe, we in the west have reached the stage where we don't need religon anymore to function. It's all a fairy story to control people anyway, so I'm pretty sure that Henry Fordisms will mean far more to people who race motor vehicles than people who race camels.

Thankyou
Posted by CloudApex 3 years ago
CloudApex
In the first round of the debate you have demonstrated the effects of his teachings and his presence but you have neglected to demonstrate the significance of theme. I would accept this debate but it is too overtly one-sided.
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Vote Placed by Themba 3 years ago
Themba
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Reasons for voting decision: Con FF in the last few rounds. Con makes a case on the middle east but Pro's argument on hypotheticals killed it. Beyond that, the forfeit goes. Arguments slightly leaning to Pro, though it is not enough to collect 3 points so points will be on conduct for the forfeits.