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Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, is mentioned in the Bible

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Have you ever compared your Bible with my Quran? Have you seen their semilarities? I believe the Bible is corrupted because I have found many flaws and contradictions within it. The Bible is corrupted because it slanders the pure prophets. The Bible is corrupted because some teachings of the Bible (Trinity, Ransom Sacrifice and Original Sin) are such logical that you couldn't prove them. But I cannot admit that it is the heavenly book. Some parts of the Bible and its stories are true. One of those parts is its glad tidings about the coming of the Promised Prophet who is Muhammad. If you compare the Bible and the Quran you can find their similarities. For example:

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to My words which he shall speak in My name, I, Myself, will require it of him." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

This statement promises that God will raise up a prophet from among the brethren of the Israelites; that that prophet will be like Moses himself; that God will put His own words in the mouth of that prophet; and that that prophet will speak those words in the name of God Who put them in his mouth. Thus, the expected prophet has three descriptions, none of them is applicable but to the Prophet Muhammad:

1. The promised prophet will be from the brethren of the Israelites. The Israelites are related only to the Arabs. There are no people in the world that may be called the brethren of the Israelites except the Arabs, because the Israelites are the descendants of Isaac, and the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, the older brother of Isaac.

2. That prophet will be like Moses. Moses was a prophet of a new dispensation, and he was a secular as well as a spiritual leader to his people. This description fits only Muhammad among all the prophets who came after Moses. None of those prophets, including Jesus, was sent with new rules and dispensations. Jesus followed the dispensations of Moses and did not introduce new religious laws. Nor was he a secular leader to the Israelites. In addition to this, all those prophets, except Muhammad, came from the Israelites themselves and not from their brethren.

The Quran says that Prophet Muhammad is like Moses too. " Indeed, We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness upon you just as We sent to Pharaoh a messenger." (Quran 73:15)

3. The statement described the promised prophet as a prophet who will not speak of his own. The very words of God will be put in his mouth. No prophet except Mohammad has claimed that his book contains the very words of Allah. Moses himself received the revelation, but he conveyed the heavenly message by his own words. What we read in the five books of Moses is considered to be the words of Moses, not the very words of Allah. All the books of which the Old Testament is composed were written and worded by human writers, and so are the four gospels. Jesus spoke the truth, which he received, but he spoke in his own words. The Bible, at best, is considered a dialogue between God and man. Only the Quran contains the words, which Muhammad recited as the very direct words of God. Mohammad never claimed any word in the Quran. He recited the Quranic words as the words of God who put them in the mouth of Muhammad. Thus, the descriptions seem to fit only Mohammad, and no one else.

The Quran says that Prophet Muhammad spoke the word of God. It means, God pur his words in his mouth. " By the star when it descends, Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. It is not but a revelation revealed," (Quran 53:1-4)

Besides, Jesus said: " I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you. (John 16:12-15)

In above verse, the Spirit of truth is Prophet Muhammad.

This verse proves that the mission of Jesus is not complete. So God sent Muhammad to complete it: "This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Quran 5:3)

You know Prophet Muhammad. His description has been mentioned in the Bible. Jesus glorifies him in the gosple of Barnabas. So why don't you believe in him? Why don't you convert to Islam? Do not conceal the truth, sir!! You know him. So why don't you (and other Christians) submit to Islam?

"Those to whom We gave the Scripture know him as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know [it]." (Quran 2:143)


The quaran and the bible may be similar but to say the bible is corrupt is just morally wrong you wouldnt appreciate someone saying youre religion is corrupt and their may be some mention of the two in each others holy books but then we need to ask which book came first and who actually wrote them this could lead onto the debate i religion real and does one being who created and looks after evything really believable so this debate could lead to further debates but back to the question

This is not a chicken or egg question. It is a Bible or Quran question.

Many Islamic scholars are teaching the Quran was "uncreated". What does that imply? As God is uncreated so too they are claiming, attempting to convince all Muslims, all humans, the Quran is "uncreated". So God sat around the day he created the universe with the Quran in his lap saying this book will guide the human inhabitants I place on earth. I do not believe that.

Inspired Word of God

Biblical scholars do not proclaim the Bible as "uncreated". The Bible is "inspired", the infallibly Inspired Word of God. It was written by humans whose hands were guided by the supernatural, whose record provides for everyone a pathway to live life and ascend to the eternal kingdom of peace which God has prepared. There is nothing in that record that misguides those who seek answers to "what is truth".

Written by Mortals

Similarly the Quran was written be men. Words from Allah via the angel Gabriel were recited by Muhammad, as Muslims claim and Hadiths support (although first on the scene over 150 years after Muhammad died, and scholar dependent as to which Hadiths are used), yet many who recalled what Muhammad said, the Companions, died and their recall was not recorded, thus the Quran is not complete. Why would God create anything incomplete? Also its compilation came subsequent to Muhammad"s death and included views by successors, Caliphs, who began the process of transcribing their Laws into the document. If there was inspiration it was human, mortal, not divine. It was and remains a reflection of Muhammad and the imperialists that continued after his unexpected death.

In comparing the two scriptures it is obvious the Quran cannot stand alone. It has a basis. It is also incomplete. The basis for the Quran, its foundation is the Bible, which the Quran then, as per the ulema, the Islamist scholars and Muhammad, aver, is the "corrected" version. Corrected by men who prefered the direction of their choosing.

Once the egg is laid how can it then be corrected? Or is the history of the Quran the story of the Bad Egg?


Was there more than one Creator? I say no, it was only God. And God then as Creator, created everything. Our universe, our earth, our humanness, and all that surrounds, the mountains, sea and plains, was created by the Creator. And in that vein the Quran cannot be but a created document. Otherwise it would be equal to God, or for the Muslim, Allah.

Original Sin

Muslims say there is no concept of Original Sin. They are born sin free. Their Garden of Eden story does not reflect a change in the nature of man, yet Adam was disobedient towards God"s directives and cast out of the Garden. Was there no blemish as a result?

Many, if not most, Muslims suggest everyone is born a Muslim. They are changed in their belief by their parents, Christian or Jew, and are represented as apostates of Islam. But then Muhammad suggested they can convert to Islam. Suggesting also they are sinners, and can have their sins forgiven by converting. Conversion: if you convert to Islam all your sins are forgiven, then a measure of works becomes the determinate for salvation. A rather superior view. I"d say.

Muslims do recognize a sinful nature in man, and call for forgiveness. What they dismiss is God"s Plan, from the day of creation, for Christ to live among us and provide for our forgiveness and salvation.

Good Deeds

As an aside the following describes in part how good deeds, or works, benefit a Muslim. This is according to Muslim or Quranic standards. If someone intends to do a good deed but does not do it, a good deed will be recorded for him. And if he does do it, (a reward of) ten to seven hundred or many more times (the reward of the good deed), will be recorded for him. And if someone intends to do a bad deed but does not do it, a good deed will be recorded for him. And if he does do it, a bad deed will be recorded against him or God will wipe it out (from Hadiths that claim Muhammad announced such measures). The analogy for me is Green Stamps[i].[ii] From the good works your stamp collection grows, receiving more stamps when you actually do good, just one for good thoughts. And the bad deeds, the stamps are removed one for one, unless you only think them (bad thoughts) and do not proceed, then there is an added Stamp.

Bible As Truth

Taken from the Blog (Understanding Islam " Part 9) posted Jan 11, 2011[iii]:

Bible as Truth Revealed in Qur"an

In reading the Qur"an as early as Chapter 3 it affirms Allah is all knowing, the best at knowing even, and upon whom all Muslim"s depend. Then it states, "He", referring to Allah, "has revealed to thee the Book," referring to the Bible, "with truth, verifying that which is before it," reaffirming the truth in Biblical history, "and He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." That says much about the Bible. So why then, after this, does the Qur"an go on to suggest Allah speaking through the Messenger (Muhammad) makes alterations to the Bible, especially with reference to Christ and Ishmael, suggesting the Qur"an is the corrected copy, the final word?

Earlier, in Sura 2:75, the Qur"an suggests the men writing the Bible knowingly altered the words of Allah "after they understood it", and confirms that the hands of men did this. "Woe, then to those who write the Book (the Bible) with their hands then say, this is from Allah"." (Sura 2.79) Now this may be a condemnation of humans, and indeed the Messenger (use of the capital "M" denoted the Prophet Muhammad in the Qur"an) was human, thus can one argue that Muhammad, who as all mankind a sinner, imparted personal desires in his recitations? His deviation from the Bible marks him as knowing the Bible, but possibly either repeating Biblical stories as best he could recall (as being illiterate he could not read) and flavoring his recitations with the life he would want for himself and other Arabs associated with him. I will give him his preference for a monotheistic religion, its unifying benefits, but caution all who read the Qur"an of the fearful defense he suggests against those that might object to his message. Is Islam and the Qur"an Muhammad"s own religion and book of retaliation? And as to unification, certainly destruction of those of other faiths is not unifying.

Going back in time to creation and having the Quran equally as uncreated as God becomes a dilemma for me. Even Allah refers to the Bible, as does Muhammad as he is the Messenger. The Bible never refers to the Quran, even when so many of the Prophets of the Old Testament ("messengers" themselves) revealed the future. God spoke to the Prophets, inspired them and guided them. It was recorded. History supports their presence on earth. Events occurred that substantiated their forecasts. Muhammad never appeared in their revelations (although Muslims scholars attempt to provide a few examples " one being Muhammad came after Jesus, not the Holy Spirit.) God was the First Cause. Nothing came before or contemporaneously, certainly no Scripture " Quran. See also: UI " Part 194 " Quran The Book.[iv] In that Blog I note:

Sura 10.37, "And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the Book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds."

What is important to notice in the last reference is the usage of the term "verification", saying what Muhammad was sharing was confirmation of the Bible.

Bible or Quran

Thus the questions is which came first " The Quran or the Bible. Well we know God came first. After that I contend it was the Bible, with so many other events transpiring recorded so we could know God (inspired). There have been many gospels, scripture for followers of ideologies. They are not the Bible. The Quran first arrived on earth sometime after Muhammad"s death in 632. The 3rd Caliph, Uthman, took charge in the creation of this book, eliminating any other drafts with which he did not agree. Men created the Quran.
Debate Round No. 1


Hello and thank you brother for accepting my challenge. I wish you luck.

The Holy Quran is similar to the Gosple and Torah. Because Quran confirms those Scriptures. As Allah says:
"And"it"was"not"[possible] for this"Qur'an"to be produced by other"than Allah, but"[it"is] a confirmation"of what was before it and a"detailed explanation"of the [former] Scripture, about which"there is"no"doubt, from the Lord of the"worlds." (10:37)

"He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." (Quran 3:3:)

Note that Allah never uses the term "Bible". He talks about the Gosple and Torah. Because some parts of the Bible are corrupted.

When you read a storybook, the chapters of that book complete and confirm one another. The next chapter gives you more details about the previous one and completes some part of the final conclusion and moral lesson of that book. The example of divin religions are that of those chapters. The new divin religion confirms and completes the previous one. Just like Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) who confirmed Judaism:
"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous." (5:46)

"And mention when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad.'" (61:6)

As you see, Jesus didn't abrogate the Torah. He confirmed it. Islam is the last divin religion confirming previous religions. The Quran is the last heavenly book confirming previous Scriptures. And Muhammad is the last prophet confirming the previous messengers.
"Rather, the Prophet has come with the truth and confirmed the [previous] messengers." (37:37)

We must know that there are two kinds of Quran. The Quran which all Muslims read and it has not been changed. Because Allah is its guardian:
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (15:9)

The other Quran is the reality of this one, "the Mother of Book" which is with Allah.
"Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand. And indeed it is, in" the Mother of the Book with Us, exalted and full of wisdom." (43:3-4)

"But this is an honored Qur'an [Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate." (85:21-22)

Allah says only a few persons can obtain the reality of Quran:
"Then I swear by the setting of the stars, And indeed, it is an oath - if you could know - [most] great. Indeed, it is a noble Qur'an. In a Register well-protected; None touch it except the purified." (56:75-79)

But who are the purified? Another verse will answer it:
"Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity of sin, O people of the Prophet's household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification." (33:33)

They are the household and descendents of Muhammad. The Quran was collected during Uthman's caliphate but it was approved by the descendents of Muhammad, the Imams (leaders) of Shiite Muslims who are aware of the reality of Quran. So we cannot say the Quran's been changed.

"According to the history of the compilation of the Quran, the Prophet himself chose the verses where to be placed. It was not the companions who arranged the verses or the number of the chapters. The Quran, which is presently in our hands and which is available to every Muslim, is the same Quran which was collected and compiled during the period of Uthman. Given that a group of reciters and memorizers of the Holy Quran were cooperating in the compilation of the Quran, we cannot say that the Quranic verses were arranged by the order and according to the liking and desire of Uthman. In addition, there are many traditions from the infallible Imams (a.s.) which denote that they sanctioned and approved the compilation of the verses during Uthman"s." [1]

- Allah says about the corruption of the Bible:
"So woe to those who write the 'scripture' with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah.' in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.'" (2:79)

"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." (3:78)

These two verse are about Paul/Saul and other evil people who corrupted the Bible. Paul used to torture Christians. But all of a sudden, he claimed to see Jesus and pretended to be changed. So he got the oppurtunity to corrupt the Scriptures as he desired.

"And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, 'Allah did not reveal to a human being anything.' Say, 'Who revealed the Scripture that Moses brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not - neither you nor your fathers.' Say, 'Allah [revealed it].' Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves." (6:91)

Paul was Jew, right? And he taught you Ransom Sacrifice and Original Sin, am I right?

- You claimed Muhammad has changed the Quran. But Allah says something different. I've already written those verses:
"Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination." (52:2-3)

- You said the authors of the Bible were inspired by God/Allah. If it's true, so why does the Bible belittles Allah and glorifies Satan?
Read this:

- You talked about Original Sin. According to this belief, people inherite the sin of Adam. I have read what Paul had to say about this. We believe Allah is merciful. But the Original Sin shows that He is injust. Original Sin shows that Allah is oppressing us. Why should He punish us for the sin of someone else? Adam ate that fruit, why does Allah punish us for that? Is it not injustice? In Quran we read:
"For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds." (2:139)
Everyone is respobsible for his or her own actions. So why should be punished for the sin of someone else which we have not even committed? I should mention that Allah forgave the disobedience of Adam. And he was no longer sinful.
"Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful." (2:37)
We believe Allah tests us. Adam juat failed his test. He didn't vommit sin, because Prophets are pure. He was expeled from Paradise but it was our destiny. Allah has created us to live on earth for a short time and then go to their final destination (hell or heaven).

- You said something about Salvation. I guess you meant Ransom Sacrifice. Christians believe that Allah sacrificed his only son to forgive their sins. But I read in a website that:" We fail to see how the suffering and death of one man can wipe out the sins of others. It sounds something like a physician breaking his head to cure the headache of his patients." We believe Allah is Most Merciful and all-forgiving. He forgives us when we repent. So why should Jesus sacrifice his life while Allah forgives our sins? Couldn't Allah forgive us without Jesus' sacrifice? Of course he could. The Bible said that Allah forgave the sin of David who committed adultry. Although I know Prophet David didn't commit such shameful immorality. Anyway, some Christians make excuse and say Allah wanted to show us his love. But it makes no sense. The forgiveness of Allah shows his love and it is sufficient. So there was no need to sacrifice Jesus. Allah is merciful. But Ransom Sacrifice shows that Allah wasn't merciful enough to forgive us wuthout the sacrifice of Jesus.

- Then you said:" Muslims do recognize a sinful nature in man.". It is wrong. We recognize God-seeking nature in man called Fitrah. Man's nature has been created upon the Fitrah of Islam. That's why everyone is born a Muslim but their beliefs might be changed by their parents.

- Conversion to Islam makes all sins be forgiven. But it doesn't mean all non-Muslims are sinful.
"If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient." (3:110)

Some non-Muslims are good people but most of them are disobedient and commit sin. If they convert to Islam, Allah forgives the sins of the disobedient.
"O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." (39:53)

In my next argument, I try to say how the Bible testifies for Muhammad. And I will explain why Allah says:
"Those to whom We gave the Scripture know him [i.e Muhammad] as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know [it]." (2:146)



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Posted by AllahoAkbar 1 year ago
the Qur'an is indeed the word of God, you see prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was illiterate man who couldn't even sign his name on the peace treaties with Quraish or other tripes (he couldn't read or write), also the first translation of the Bible to the arabic language didn't exist until the 8th century (long after he was dead) (pbuh), (here
Now Allah (swt) knows you will make such accusations so he answered you over 1400 years ago (Qur'an 16:102-103)
102-"Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims."
103-"And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a human being who teaches the Prophet." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, and this Qur'an is [in] a clear Arabic language."

Allah Guides me and you to his mercy, peace.A279;
Posted by AKhattak 1 year ago
Sorry wrong use of word meant "speak aloud". Secondly explain this then during the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr Saddique(R.A) there was a wave of people proclaiming to be the next Prophet but not one of the scribes started a new religion or converted to Christianity. Why? If the Quran was copied from the Bible then why did not one of the scribes raise that issue during the early years of the Caliphate of Hazrat Abu Bakr (R.A)?
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
"Hoe does the Prophet (S.A.W) not being able to read or write make Islam a counterfeit religion?"

Because he had people recite the Holy Bible, which makes Islam along with their Quran counterfeit.

"The Prophet (S.A.W) would recite a passage and those around him that could write would write it down."

Did you not just say the the "prophet" could neither read nor write? How could he recite a passage if he couldn't read? Why would he recite the Holy Bible in the first place? What do the children of Israel have to do with the Ishmaelites (Arabs)?

" All of the words were uttered by the Prophet (S.A.W) and no one ever told him what to say other then Allah."

Of course no one ever told him what to say, Allah told him to copy from the Israelites Holy Bible.
Posted by AKhattak 1 year ago
Hoe does the Prophet (S.A.W) not being able to read or write make Islam a counterfeit religion? While the Prophet (S.A.W) could neither read or write many of his companions could. The Prophet (S.A.W) would recite a passage and those around him that could write would write it down. All of the words were uttered by the Prophet (S.A.W) and no one ever told him what to say other then Allah.
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
"The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) could neither read nor write Arabic then how do you propose he learned Hebrew?"

Because our Bible was already translated into different languages.

Then if the "Prophet" Muhammad could neither read nor write, then Islam copied our Bible, which makes Islam a counterfeit religion just as all other religions out there.
Posted by AKhattak 1 year ago
The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) could neither read nor write Arabic then how do you propose he learned Hebrew?
Posted by TheWORDisLIFE 1 year ago
The reason why the Quran is somewhat similar to the Israelites Bible is because Muhammad recited our Bible.

from Arabic qur'ān "recitation," from qara'a "read, recite."
Posted by jman9143 1 year ago
Quran is a corrupted version of the bible.
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