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Multiculturism causes racism

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Started: 3/30/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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PrinceOfTheFire

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I got a comment in a previosu debate stating that multi-culturism was the only form to stop racial hatred

I say that it is false, because only when two or more ethnic groups are forced to share the same living space and resources, racial hatred can occur. Thus liberals have it backwards: It is MULTICULTURISM that causes racial hatred

I put forward the following proofs
1) Sweden before and after the open-borders police started in 1996. Before 1996, Sweden had never suffered from ethnic tensions, simply because it was a fairly ethnically homogeneous and everyone shared the same culture and values

Now, after more than 10 years of open borders, the city of Malmo, where most immigrants settled, have become a battle camp with violent race riots and gang violence, where gang rapes of ethnically swedish girls have become an everyday thing.

http://www.thelocal.se...

http://www.thelocal.se...

http://www.sullivan-county.com...

"According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Br�, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants."

"The actual number is thus probably even higher than what the authorities are reporting now, as it doesn't include second generation immigrants. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents."

the same thing is happening in Netherlands, where are civil war is becoming imminent, and many dutch people are organizing around geert wilders and his right-wing party, that wanna expel all the muslims and restore order

http://en.wikipedia.org...

muslim sympathizers already killed the leader of the previous right wing party, Pim Fortuyn

http://en.wikipedia.org...

note that before open borders policy started, Holland had never suffered of this kind of racial tensions
brian_eggleston

Con

I would like to thank Prince of the Fire for posting this controversial and thought-provoking debate and would like to respond as follows:

It does not follow that multiculturism causes hatred. Indeed, multiculturism can lead to the exact opposite. I live in one of the world's most multicultural cities, London, (1) and this has afforded me the opportunity to forge loving relationships with one or more stunning girls from each of the following countries: Australia; Brazil; Canada; France; Germany; Iran; Italy; Japan; Korea; Sweden; Tahiti; Taiwan and Uganda. Furthermore, my ex-wife is Slovakian and my best man at our wedding was Chinese.

That said; there is no doubt that immigration can cause social tensions if it is not handled properly and I refer to the YouTube video my opponent posted.

First of all, you will notice that this footage was produced by the notoriously right-wing broadcaster Fox News, so it's contents cannot be considered to be impartial. Nevertheless it stated that the unemployment rate amongst immigrants in Sweden was 90% (against the national average of 9% (2)) and since we know unemployment and crime are linked (3) it should be no surprise that immigrants are disproportionately responsible for certain types of criminal offences.

Clearly the solution would be to help immigrants integrate into Swedish society by assisting them to find work and thus hold a stake in their host country's future prosperity and general wellbeing.

But, of course, the process of assimilation takes time and is fraught with difficulties, but it is achievable and there are many historical examples to illustrate this.

Let's take my opponent's home nation, the United States, for instance.

As most people know, the first wave of immigrants arrived in America from Europe in the early 1600's. However, the newcomers made no attempt to assimilate with the resident population and refused to speak their language or adopt their culture.

Understandably, this bred resentment in the Native Americans and conflicts ensued that led to many thousands of deaths. Sadly, tensions escalated even further when the immigrants stole the Native Americans' land and destroyed their property.

Furthermore, the immigrants also fought between themselves and the violent clashes that took place between the British, French, Spanish and Dutch led to a wholesale loss of life.

However, although interracial tensions still exist, the passage of time has healed most social rifts and today America is a relatively peaceful and harmonious country - although it has to be recognised that Native Americans are far now outnumbered by the descendants of European immigrants and the slaves they imported from Africa.

So, since clashes between cowboys and Indians now only take place in movies and racial clashes between British, Dutch, French and Spanish-Americans are almost unheard of, it is proven that, in the long term, multiculturalism does not cause racism.

Thank you.

(1) http://www.visitlondon.com...
(2) http://www.bls.gov...
(3) http://www3.interscience.wiley.com...
Debate Round No. 1
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

Thanks for putting forward some arguments
I think London is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I will put forward some recent events to support my argument

1) Multiculturism has brought to our country alien conflicts that have nothing to do with your country
there is a strong ethnic tension between Tamils, hindues and muslims
http://www.guardian.co.uk...
Your Parliament was blocked. It is just a a general example of how the democratic process is being affected by multiculturism

another example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk...

there is a conflict between very intense conflict between muslims and jews, and you are importing it to your country. you are importing violence... do you think it is worth the pair of exotic girls that you are going to have sex with?

what if your little business were vandalized in one of these riots? what is your car were among the vehicles that were smashed?

2) multiculturism is importing alien cultures to london that may not be compatible with western culture and not even with the concept of democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org...

52 dead, 700 wounded, many of them permanently disabled. was it worth this little experiment?

how many lives more have to be destroyed so that we can finally stop this crazy experiment?

3) multiculturism leads to racial tensions that never existed before
society is already a fragile human structure, adding new ethnic groups is like adding vast weights that it just cant support

about malmo: Fox news is not making it up as you seem to think. there are lots of sources, videos, even wikipedia made mention of the riots
http://en.wikipedia.org...

"That said; there is no doubt that immigration can cause social tensions if it is not handled properly"

Immigration cant be handled properly. You cant really handle humans, they are not an object that you can configure. what are you going to do if they just dont wanna "integrate" into society? expel them? what they are second generation immigrants?

"Nevertheless it stated that the unemployment rate amongst immigrants in Sweden was 90% (against the national average of 9%) and since we know unemployment and crime are linked, it should be no surprise that immigrants are disproportionately responsible for certain types of criminal offenses"

DO YOU REALIZE THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF LIBERAL MADNESS? what are they letting enter so many immigrants if there is no employment for them? THAT IS CRAZY

"Clearly the solution would be to help immigrants integrate into Swedish society"
the actual and more reasonable solution would be not allowing them to enter in the very first place. But No! the socialist party of sweden needed to have their little experiment of multiculturism, because there is nothing as funny s wasting millions of euros of taxes into bringing aliens into a country and when they are violent and start to rape 4000 native women each year then waste many millions more into trying to integrate a people that dont wanna integrate, they just wanna keep their original arabic culture

dont fix what is not broken! Sweden was doing just fine before this madness started

4) multiculturism destroys the original native culture of the country
thanks to multiculturism, the british people, the people that created britain and made it great, will become a minority and eventually fade away in their our country, just like it happened to the native americans that you mention
http://www.guardian.co.uk...

5) multiculturism is used as social warfare by socialist parties
democrat party and labour support mass immigration because nonwhites vote for welfare and big goverment that can gives them a free ride. By making sure that whites will be minority in their countries, they make sure they will remain in gove
brian_eggleston

Con

With many thanks to my opponent for his considered comments which were, unfortunately, solely focused on the negative aspects of multiculturism.

However, I should like to remind the voters that immigration also brings many positive things, such as: ethnic foods; exotic girls; world music; international theatre; exotic girls; foreign clothes; overseas art and exotic girls.

Never mind that though, let me address my opponent's question "do you think (importing violence) is worth the pair of exotic girls that you are going to have sex with?"

Well, that depends. Does my opponent mean at the same time? I mean, it's a tough call, especially given that British girls are now the third fattest in the world (1) and without the all foreign girls there would be an even more acute shortage of physically attractive women!

Seriously though, I do concede that there are problems associated with immigration: lack of suitable employment opportunities; increased levels of crime; lack of affordable housing; increased pressure on the national health and education services, etc.

However, all countries that are signatories to the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees have an obligation to accommodate any "person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it." (2)

The United States is a notable exception in that it is only party to the 1967 protocol and, as such, does not share the same obligations as the other 147 signatories, which may be why my opponent is surprised at the amount of asylum seekers there are in Europe compared to America.

In the final analysis, accepting refugees is, for most countries, a legal obligation, though it is also a moral one, and while immigration does cause friction in some quarters most people treat asylum seekers the way that they would like to be treated if they found themselves in their unfortunate circumstances – which means they don't persecute them on the basis of their race.

The resolution is, therefore, negated.

Thank you.

(1) http://www.nationmaster.com...
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

as a conclusion, I think it has been proven that multiculturism does cause racism, imports racims, and brings ethnic conflicts to the countries. It destroys national identity and pretty much leads to the destruction of the native groups.

The laws about asylum and refugees are nonsensical and must be repelled. With the refuges, usually from both bands, you are bringing the conflict that caused them to leave with them. You are not solving anything, you are just spreading the problem to other nations,making it worse.

here an example of foolish immigration policies importing the somalian islamic civil war to america:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org...

that is why I am opposed to any international agreement and I think that every country should look for its own people only

"So, since clashes between cowboys and Indians now only take place in movies and racial clashes between British, Dutch, French and Spanish-Americans are almost unheard of, it is proven that, in the long term, multiculturalism does not cause racism"

Indians received special reservations in the early 1900s, a reservation involves territorial separation, so it cant be classified as multiculturism. That is why the clashes ended, not because multiculturism solved the problem somehow. Untll then, Geronimo and his people had kept fighting for a homeland

should the native americans have never gotten their special homeland, clashes would have continued to this day. Europeans were far more numerous than indians, Indians did not want to integrate, because it was them and not the europeans the ones that were going to end up being assimilated. and they understood very well that assimilation very well meant the cultural death of their civilization

btw. British, Dutch, French and Spanish cultures are all different variations of the western civilisation. You just can compare it to letting people from arabia and Myanmar going ito your country

Anyways, I dont really think my opponent knows how things are going this side of the Atlantic. Politically and ethnically, the country is very divided, with a multicultural coalition in one side (the democrats), and a capiltalist party whose support is basically white men only (republican) in the other side. This divide can be seen in the vote for Obama, that had a strong tribalist elements, with majorities of blacks and latinos voting for him, while whites slighty aligned with McCain; and the wave of recent racist attacks against whites after Obama's victory, the most shocking one in Ohio, when a mob of blacks attacked a white family because "it is a black world"

http://www.ohio.com...

police as always denying it was a racist attack, typical

this other case is telling, not even blacks want multiculturism
http://www.cnn.com...

of course, for the leftwing media and the police it was not a hate crime either

I wonder what would you do if one day you were the victim and you are left ignored by your beloved leftwing media and the multicultural police

sorry, but in the left wing multicultural utopia, white men are not welcomed
brian_eggleston

Con

To round up this debate I should like to remind the voters that the issue at hand here is that multiculturism causes racism.

I have contended throughout that, while multiculturism may lead to tensions in certain quarters, it does not follow that this is the norm.

Let's take one example where there has been two-way traffic between countries.

For generations the English have emigrated to India and the Indians have emigrated to England.

This has led to a significant and welcomed exchange of cultures.

Take language: English in India "enjoys the status of subsidiary official language but is the most important language for national, political, and commercial communication." (1)

Similarly, many words of Indian origin have entered the English language including: avatar; bandana; bungalow (what the English call a single storey house); candle; candy; cash; cashmere; chutney; cot (what the English call a crib); cummerbund; ginger; guru; gymkhana; juggernaut; jungle; khaki; lilac; loot; motor; mugger; nirvana; opal; orange; pyjamas; sandal; sapphire; shawl; sugar; shampoo; thug; veranda and yoga. (2)

Sport is another good example. England gave India cricket, which is now the most popular sport there and the Indians gave the English polo, which is now very popular with the British aristocracy.

Trade and exchange of knowledge is another important example of how multiculturism has benefited both nations: the English built the Indian railways and in return the Indians gave the British their cuisine – there are over 10,000 Indian restaurants in England and Wales alone (which is a lot in an area only two thirds the size of Kansas) and chicken tikka masala has replaced fish and chips as Britain's national dish. (3,4)

Regarding the political situation in the United States, it broadly reflects that of most European countries. The Republicans are akin to right-wing European political parties who are conservative by nature, resistant to social changes and patriotic to the point of nationalism.

Similarly, the Democrats are akin to European left-wing European parties who are progressive by nature, more open to social changes and patriotic but stop short of nationalism.

In terms of multiculturism this means Republicans rarely support immigration except when it is politically or economically expedient for them to do so, such as when wealthy Cubans fled the revolution in 1958 or dissidents fled the Communists regimes during the Cold War.

Left-wing and liberal parties, on the other hand, are more willing to accept their international obligations and will consider each case on its merit, rather than dismiss immigrants if they are poor or do not share their political ideology.

Thus, we can see that multiculturism may, indirectly, lead to racism in a small minority of individuals but the solution is to educate and reform these people rather than block immigration altogether.

Thank you.

(1) https://www.cia.gov...
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org...
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org...
(4) http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by InsertNameHere 6 years ago
InsertNameHere
Mirza is another muslim who frequents this site.
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
who is this "Mirza"?
Posted by mattrodstrom 6 years ago
mattrodstrom
""yet the only way to do that is by creating an united front against globalism, sorrowly some muslims have been poisoned and lied into thinking that we whites are the enemy to fight, when we have been victims of the very same internationalist polices that are turning us into minorities in our homelands, just like palestinians are, destined to become slaves to new global oligarchy""

I think you and Mirza would get along just fine.
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
Oopss, a typo

"kill 1000 girls"

I meant palestinians, not just girl
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
I know what are they doing to the palestinians

may be you have seen this photo:
http://www.angelfire.com...

an israeli girl writing "a gift to the palestinian children" in one of the bomb that were going to kill 1000 girls during the two weeks of attacks in january 2009

I know that the white children are the next in the list after muslims are genocided. Israel already stated that they plan to bomb european capitals with american-made nukes as "preemptive strikes" in case of a nuclear war

now, will muslims cooperate with white nationalists so that we can sort this out? No! they are too busy welcoming the globalist agenda and taking over our countries =(
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
now the thing the globalists love the most is to see muslims killing whites, that just make our mutual destruction easier for them to take over
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
yet the only way to do that is by creating an united front against globalism, sorrowly some muslims have been poisoned and lied into thinking that we whites are the enemy to fight, when we have been victims of the very same internationalist polices that are turning us into minorities in our homelands, just like palestinians are, destined to become slaves to new global oligarchy
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
I oppose Islam as strongly as I oppose Christianity, yet i support arabs in their fight for national self determination and conservation of their culture against the forces of zioglobalism, just like I wanna conserve ours
Posted by InsertNameHere 6 years ago
InsertNameHere
Yea, you're totally pro-muslim, lol. As for believing organized religions are silly and corrupt it's a matter of opinion and why I chose to convert to Islam doesn't concern you so don't ask.
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 6 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
muslim convert? why would you do that? organized religions are silly and corrupt
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