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FakeAmericansUr
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18Karl
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Musicians is controlled y the illuminati and Satanists.

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18Karl
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/23/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FakeAmericansUr

Con

If the illuminati were real could they really be such a good secret. It takes special training and experience for that. Wouldn't Jay-z be too street to take orders from secret society, Jay-z would have to give up street cred to serve a political power. And Beyonce, wouldn't she be too christian for that. She got her roots from gospel singing right as well for destiny's child. She wouldn't serve the satanic illuminati. I mean If it exists why aren't they uncovered, I doubt the ruse could still be secret, someone would've proved their existence. I think some people might be jealous of musicians cuz they have talent.
Any Pros out there,
If not its kool :D I'm only asking one thing, for legitimate believers who can prove illuminate to everyone very well. :)
18Karl

Pro

Objection One:

The omnipotent power of the Illuminati is not any of the opposition's business. The opposition has no idea of the omnipotence of such organizations, and bases his premise upon false presumptions based on his premises of "reality". Beyonce and Jay-Z have been faithful members of the brotherhood for a long time, and this is characterized by his worship of the great and glorious eye. Apart from this, Jay-Z has 5 characters; Illuminati is often spelled Illumi. in order to mystify the presence of such an omnipotent organization. 5-5=0 (theorem of mathmatics). 0 is the eye. Eye is the Illuminati.
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There is henceforth a plethora of proof for Jay-Z being part of the Illuminati. Secondly, the opposition has completely forgotten the theory of the Illuminati DNA. The theory (an axiom by now) states that whoever has intercourse with an Illuminati member will immediately become an Illuminati member. This is proven via this very case. Beyonce has been known to sing many songs relating to the omnipotence of the Illuminati.

Take the song listen for example:
Listen, I am alone at a crossroads
I'm not at home in my own home

It is known knowledge that the Illuminati meets at crossroads around in front of the White House at the Fountain every 2AM. In front of the White House lies the Zero Milestone. This is the crossroad in question here; if Beyonce were not at home, then she would clearly be at the White House, with other Illuminati members, such as Barack Obama and John Kerry.

More references to the Illuminati can be seen throughout the song:
Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling

This is the Illuminati's call for us, normal human beings, to stop believing in such myths about the Illuminati. "I'm done believing you" is supposedly a call for us to stop believing in such "obsolete myths" but the justification for that is ample, for the Illuminati does not know how us normal human beings feel after being lied to by the Illuminati!

Contention One: Music is Illuminati

Secret societies such as the Illuminati express their views into music, and music only. In the 1920s, the music of the Illuminati was outrun by the Jazz Music of rivaling secret institutions, and it was only in 1930 that the Illuminati adopted the Jazz character by secretly taking control of such figures such as Benny Goodman, Louis Armstrong, and Charlie Parker. This is characterized by Benny Goodman's Album "Canergie Hall Concert" in the famous song "Sing, Sing, Sing" The Illuminati previously adopted Baroque classical music as its main theme song, but "Sing, Sing, Sing" was written in the scale that the Illuminati theme was close to: A harmonic minor (due to transcription issues, this might also be G for I have the music of Sing, Sing, Sing in F# and I hate Bb to C transcription soz ppl). A harmonic minor was an exclusively Illuminati scale, for the Illuminati theme song used this scale exclusively. Illuminati has been exclusively controlling the major music industry since "Sing, Sing, Sing" in 1938. However, due to some troubles in the Illuminati and with the rage-quit of Benny Goodman after the Bebop Era, the Illuminati decided to adopt a more free approach to music, where it controlled Elvis Presley and Johnny Cash.

IN FACT, Johnny Cash's album Folsom Prison Blues was Illuminati sponsored, and this was seen by the subliminal influence of the lyrics of Folsom Prison Blues:

I bet there's rich folks eating in a fancy dining car
They're probably drinkin' coffee and smoking big cigars.

Rich folks was a subliminal referral to the Illuminati members present at the concert; they were sitting in a fancy car right outside the prison. After the taking of Johnny Cash and the rise of rock, the Illuminati continued to controll the music industry; the Beatles were funded by the Illuminati, and even featured an Illuminati Member Aleister (middle-name kept secret) Crowley in the album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts!Up to now, they still control the media and the music industry. The Grammy Award is entirely Illuminati controlled, and the Illuminati funds Jay-Z, as proven in the objection!

Contention Two: Logical Proofs

Part One:

Def. 1
Analytically, the Illuminati is omnipotent
Def. 2
Omnipotence implies maximally powerful

Ax. 1 (Via Def. 1) Omnipotence implies that every subject of life is included in the omnipotence
Prem. 1 A maximally powerful being exists possibly neccessarily exists in world W
Prem. 2 Existence is possible worlds possibly implies existence in all possible worlds
Prem. 3 Maximally powerful beings exists if and only if omnipotence is necessity
Prem. 4 Omnipotence is necessarily possible in some possible worlds
Prem. 5 (Con. 1) Omnipotence is necessarily possible in some possible worlds
Prem. 6
If (prem. 5) omnipotence is necessarily possible in some worlds, then omnipotence is possible in all worlds

Prem. 7 If omnipotence is possible in all worlds, then negation of existence is negation of the power of omnipotence
Prem. 8 If negation of existence is the negation of the power of omnipotence, then analytically, omnipotence exists
Prem. 9 If omnipotence exists, then (prem. 3) a maximally powerful being possibly neccessarily exists in (prem. 1) world W
Prem. 10 World W is negation of maximally powerful existence
Prem. 11 (Con. 2) If existence in only world W is negation of omnipotence being, then existence in all possible worlds is not exemplification of omnipotence
Prem. 12 Illuminati is maximally powerful (Ax. 2)
Ergo the Illuminati exists in all possible worlds.

Part Two:
Ax. 1 The Illuminati Exists in all possible worlds
Ax. 2 (Ax.1 Prt. 1) Omnipotence implies that every subject of life is included in the omnipotence
Prem. 1 Music exists in the world as an abstract entity
Prem. 2 In this world, it is necessarily true for Illuminati to exist
Prem. 3
(Ax.2) If Illuminati is omnipotent and exists in this world, then music is part of the Illuminati or is non-existent

Prem. 4 Music exists
Con.1 Music is part of the Illuminati
Prem. 5 Deliverers of musics are musicians
Con. 2 Musicians are part of the Illuminati



Debate Round No. 1
FakeAmericansUr

Con

FakeAmericansUr forfeited this round.
18Karl

Pro

Illuminati
Debate Round No. 2
FakeAmericansUr

Con

Well nice argument and I was really busy yesterday, sorry bout the rebuttl part My argument is this you say if someone has intercourse with Illuminati their Illuminati right, well how have proven Jay-Z is Illuminati...and not just a guy from his hometown messing with people heads, have you seen it personally, do you even atleast have the courage to without a shadow of a doubt prove, you couldn't could u. Like i said also Jay-Z would have to give alot credit to prove it...and many musicians in the same field as Jay-Z admitted that "street cred" is everything in Rap/Hip Hop. And an Illuminati belief assuming that their is one, a gospel singer would not care. No they are still having a family still talking to their family..and maybe having fun on music at the expense of others superstition. And why wouldn't an artist makes lyrics that wouldn't get more ???s asked, sales is everything in music. And if u give people an excuse to have their heads spin alot then you would make that same song. See Music has labels and categories, but sales are a concept that have existed since the dawn of time. And heck what if some hacking prankster was really behind the Illuminati myth just to scare people. Sites have a similar concept as the true value of a site is how many visitors a site has. More people viewing=more referrals, right? And internet has always been like TV, sale myths to people and get support. In short FakeAmericansUr :)
18Karl

Pro

Apologies for the delays.

Objection One: Fallacies

The opposition has ignored my proof that Jay Z is Illuminati. The opposition has argued from genetics; as I have never seen personally these absurdities which the opposition describes, does not mean I am unable to conceive them. Nevertheless, the Illuminati controls the Music Industry wholly. The oppostion begs the questions, and his grammar is unconceivable by moi. He calls me a fake american. This ad hominem offends me, as it is wholly ignorant. Does America in his view consist of 6 billion people? Such absurdities may be proven wrong. I am not an American, so in whole, his misguided ad hominems should be discarded.

Objection Two: Subjectivity

The opposition's beg-the-question depends wholly on one thing; subjectivity. His arguments are clearly subjective, and based on his opinions, and not supported by facts. His arguments are wholly invalid in the view of subjectivity!

And an Illuminati belief assuming that their is one, a gospel singer would not care. No they are still having a family still talking to their family..and maybe having fun on music at the expense of others superstition.

Whoever controls the media has the minds of the public. This is a self evident fact.

My argument is this you say if someone has intercourse with Illuminati their Illuminati right, well how have proven Jay-Z is Illuminati.

We have proven in my previous argument that Jay Z is Illuminati. The opposition accepts the intercourse theorem, so henceforth, via his logic, Jay Z and Beyonce are Illuminati. Other ignoratio elenchi may be ignored!


Voting Issues:

1. The opposition has not done anything but imply that his views are subjective and does not prove that the Illuminati's omnipotence excludes it from music
2. The opposition has commited many fallacies in his argumentation.
3. The opposition has no main premise.

Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by FakeAmericansUr 2 years ago
FakeAmericansUr
Nice try, but still no proof lets see if u can bring obvious evidence and not hacker's imagination? :D
Posted by 18Karl 2 years ago
18Karl
:C nac
Posted by Adam_Godzilla 2 years ago
Adam_Godzilla
Your logical proofs btw are sound. I have never seen such beauty.
Posted by Adam_Godzilla 2 years ago
Adam_Godzilla
Illuminati means the enlightened ones and I have found many factual errors in your arguments. For example, the illuminati do not meet at crossroads at the White house at 2 am. They meet at the rooftop of the white house at exactly 4.30. The time when everyone is asleep. Some poor 7 eleven cashier could still be awake at 2 am. Plus your mathematical theorem of 5 - 5 = 0 = illuminati is not entirely true. Jay Z has 5 character if you count the hyphen and illumi has 6 characters. 5 - 6 = - 1. - 1 if rotated will look like an equilateral triangle and this is finally proof of the illumniati. Overall, a well done thesis on illuminati. Good job pro!
Posted by Luxray2854 2 years ago
Luxray2854
dang son 18karl layin down the law
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