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PoeJoe
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Protagoras
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My Opponent Likes The Food of McDonald's

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/2/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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PoeJoe

Pro

I strongly affirm the statement: "My opponent likes the food of McDonald's".
My opponent's position shall be: "I dislike the food of McDonald's".

Definitions:
- McDonald's is the largest chain of fast food restraints in existence today.
- "Likes" shall be defined as "To find pleasant or attractive; enjoy".
- "The food of McDonald's" shall refer to the many edible products of McDonald's.
- Ronald McDonald is the mascot associated with McDonald's.
- The "Golden Arches" refer to the logo of McDonald's.

Assumptions:
- The many products, slogans, and trademarks of McDonald's shall be assumed as common knowledge.

By accepting this debate, my opponent agrees to the above positions, definitions, and assumptions. They may be debated in the comments before the debate is accepted.

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In a conventional debate, I would post a summary of my main arguments in my opening statement. However, the debate topic is far from "conventional" as I do not even know who my opponent will be as I post this. Thus, I will hold off and allow my opponent to make the first move.
Protagoras

Con

I'm not sure whether this is a joke or a trick, but, either way, I find this interesting considering the fact that I am repulsed by the sight of that stupid golden arch.

Here we go.

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Definition:

My opponent: The term "my opponent", as given by the framing of the topic, is referring to myself, Protagoras, as that would be the intuitive understanding of the topic. Do not allow him to come back in his next rebuttal and claim some semantical reason for as to why I am not his opponent, or something to that extent.

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Analysis:

I can only provide you with a counter-claim, fortunately enough for me, the burden of proof lays in the hands of my opponent.

My claim: I do not enjoy the edible products of McDonald's.

I look forward to my opponent's response.

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Overview and Conclusion:

To the extent that my opponent has not met his burden of proof, meaning, he has yet to prove the resolution true, you must vote CON.

I ask my opponent to offer evidence for his claim.

- Protagoras of Abdera
Debate Round No. 1
PoeJoe

Pro

To be honest, I just wanted to start the most ridiculous (but still arguable) debate I could think of. I do not expect to win. Oh well…

---Argument---

Johnny Depp, the idol of my opponent (as proved by his picture), is highly affiliated with McDonald's. In October 2006, Johnny Depp was awarded the "Courage to Care Award" along with McDonald's CEO.[1] Not to mention, two months ago, McDonald's manufactured a Johnny Depp action figure for their Happy Meals.[2] There is no question: Johnny Depp loves McDonald's. He even acknowledged the possibility of a future career there![3] Because My_Opponent=Johnny_Depp and Johnny_Depp=Loves_McDonald's, we must conclude that my opponent loves McDonald's. Therefore, my opponent loves McDonald's food. My logic is undeniable. Any attempt by my opponent to deny this should be absolutely ignored. And kittens.

---Counterarguments---

Thus far, Johnny Depp's biggest fan has yet to post any argument whatsoever as to why he does not like the food of McDonald's. Thus you vote for PRO.

---References---

[1] http://www.primenewswire.com...
[2] http://www.yelp.com...
[3] http://johnnydeppfan.com...
Protagoras

Con

This is most definitely an interesting debate indeed.

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Assumption:

My opponent assumes that I am Jonny Depp, though if that is quite a compliment, I am very sorry to inform you that I am in fact NOT Johnny Depp.

On this debate site, we typically add picture icons that are either ourself, someone or something we idolize or something that otherwise interests us. My opponent assumes that my profile picture is a picture of me, when in fact it is not.

For example,

Xera is not a butterfly mutant chick, well hopefully not. :D
http://www.debate.org...

PublicForumG-d is not a dog, this is because dogs can not type, and assuming some dog can, it would not have the debating abilities that are displayed by PublicForumG-d's debates.
http://www.debate.org...

Jigsaw is not the Joker from the movie "The Dark Knight", mostly because the joker is from the US, whereas Jigsaw is from India AND because the joker is made up.
http://www.debate.org...

Scorpion Clone is not Barack Obama, this is because Barack Obama is not from California, and he is NOT a conservative.
http://www.debate.org...

TheLwerd is not a character from "The Boondocks", this is namely because that character is fictional.
http://www.debate.org...

It is absurd for my opponent to assume that I am Johnny Depp, as a matter of fact, I could easily change my profile picture and be bugs bunny tomorrow, and Spongebob the next day, George Bush the day after that, and so on.

Furthermore, I have never called myself Johnny Depp, nor do I have any information on my page that refers to me being Johnny Depp. Please look at the signitures on the following debates:

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

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I have always signed off as "- Protagoras of Abdera" and my profile name is Protagoras. I, as Protagoras, do NOT like the food of McDonald's. I do not like the food of McDonald's!

Essentially, my opponent is calling me a lier, he is calling me clandestine and most importantly, he is called me Johnny Depp! :D
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Let us assume:

Let's have fun and assume that my opponent is correct. Let us assume that I am Johnny Depp, I would still admit that I do not enjoy the edible products of McDonald's, none of my opponent's "evidence" proves anything to the contrary.

Take his first source for example:

http://www.primenewswire.com...

In October 2006, Johnny Depp was awarded the "Courage to Care Award" along with McDonald's CEO.

Exactly, that is all that the piece of evidence asserts.

Sure, McDonald's CEO and Johnny Depp receive the same award, BUT, this has nothing to do with him enjoying the food of McDonald's.

His second source:

http://www.yelp.com...

This source is illegitimate considering that this is simply a reviews section of yelp.com. This was written by some random reviewer, clearly not a reliable source.

Even if Johnny Depp used to be a kids meal toy, that doesn't mean he actually likes to eat McDonald's. I mean, everyone would say yes to a 15 million dollar check, if all you had to do was be a doll for a restaurant, despite whether or not you like their food.

His third and final source:

http://johnnydeppfan.com...

And I quote, "Mr. Depp said with a laugh. "At least I have something to fall back on. If things don't work out, in a couple of years I may be doing birthday parties at McDonald's -- as Edward. You know, 200 bucks a party."

First: He only says this would be a last resort.

Second: This was obviously intended as a joke, as pointed out by the laugh.

Third: This is not the conventional job of a McDonald's employee, he would be performing, therefore he would be a performer that happens to be in McDonald's.

Fourth: If my opponent responds by saying, "if he doesn't LIKE McDonald's then why does he say he would work there?"

I'd argue that, as pointed out by my opponent in his opening statement, McDonald's is an extremely popular restaurant, therefore, it would only make sense for him to refer to a generic restaurant as opposed to a restaurant of choice or preference.

Fifth: This laugh may offer insight upon Johnny Depp's inner animosity towards McDonald's.

Sixth: Even if you want to accept this as true, this still does not mean that Johnny Depp actually likes the food of McDonald's.

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Thanks for your time and consideration,

- Protagoras of Abdera
Debate Round No. 2
PoeJoe

Pro

---COUNTERARGUMENTS---

My opponent has clearly misinterpreted my R2. He believes that I believe that he is Johnny Depp. This however is not so. It is clear that I believed him to be Johnny Depp's biggest fan--NOT Johnn Depp himself. Regardless though, he does affirm his liking of Johnny Depp by saying, "My opponent assumes that I am Jonny Depp, though if that is quite a compliment..."

Just as the user Jigsaw likes "The Dark Knight" and Heath Ledger's performance as the joker, we must assume that my opponent Protagoras likes Johnny Depp. In fact, in trying to convince the audience of such false logic, he blatantly lied. User Scorpion Clone's profile picture while most definitely being a picture of Barack Obama, is a picture that depicts him very negatively. Why would Scorpion Clone do this to his "idol"? He does this because he is supporting Mike Gravel in the 2008 US Presidential elections--NOT Senator Obama. In following with my flawless logic, we understand that Xera enjoys fantasy, that PublicForumG-d likes dogs, and that theLwerd enjoys "The Boondocks". Otherwise, why would they pick their respective profile pictures?

Thus, my opponent's counterargument must be dismissed because it relied on the assumption that I believed him to be Johnny Depp. I did not. However, I have again confirmed that he is his biggest fan. Again, nothing in my opponent's R2 hold any meaning because it was derived from an incorrect assumption about my own statements.

---ARGUMENTS---

As can clearly be seen, all my arguments still stand.

Despite how "stupid" they may seem, my arguments at the end of the day are still arguments. Because my opponent has not provided even one argument that indicate that he dislikes the food of McDonald's, the audience must vote CON. Thank you.
Protagoras

Con

Protagoras forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
PoeJoe

Pro

The following is my opponent's rebuttal (slightly edited):

Let us assume my opponent it correct, like me pretend as if I am in fact Johnny Depp's BIGGEST fan. If I were his biggest fan, then I'd know nearly everything about, like, for instance I would know what restaurants Johnny Depp likes and dislikes.

Since I am more qualified in determining this, (developing ethos), I'd like for you to believe me when I say that, "Johnny Depp does not like the food of McDonald's".

Now let us look at the topic:

The topic indicates that I, being his opponent, like the food of McDonald's. Therefore, since I am not Johnny Depp, as my opponent has conceded in his previous rebuttal, then, Johnny Depp has nothing to do with this debate. Therefore, whatever argument's that my opponent has made in regards to Johnny Depp ought to be dismissed from this debate in its entirety, and you vote CON.

Arguments:

He states,
"Because my opponent has not provided even one argument that indicate that he dislikes the food of McDonald's, the audience must vote CON."

My opponent has yet to do the converse of this action, he has not yet indicated that I in fact DO LIKE the food of McDonald's. The burden of proof is on his side, he is the one in favor of this topic, therefore I ask HIM to provide evidence to indicate that I DO like the food of McDonald's.

The only argument's that my opponent has made thus far, were arguments assuming that I was Johnny Depp, he noticed that he was loosing so then he intentionally switched advocacy's, now he wants me to prove my disapproval. I don't have to PROVE my disapproval, all I have to do, and all I can do, is dismiss any claims that indicate that I like the food of McDonald's. All I can say is that, "I do not like the food of McDonald's", in light of the fact that my opponent has yet to disprove this claim, you should vote CON.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

- Protagoras of Abdera

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|MY (POEJOE) ARGUMENTS|
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My opponent has tried to confuse the audience through misinterpretation of my logic. Obviously, Johnny Depp's biggest fan would try to emulate his idol (this has not been disputed). Therefore, by proving that Johnny Depp enjoys McDonald's, we can safely assume that my opponent, Protagoras, also likes McDonald's. This was clearly stated in my equation in R2.

However, my opponent still goes on to salvage an obviously lost debate. He states, "If I were his biggest fan, then... I would know what restaurants Johnny Depp likes and dislikes." Exactly. My opponent knows that Johnny Depp likes McDonald's. My opponent want to win this debate, so why wouldn't he lie? He knows Johnny Depp likes McDonald's, and in an attempt to emulate his idol, also enjoys McDoanld's. Like I've said, my logic is undeniable.

He goes on with the assumption that I believed him to be Johnny Depp. However, rereading my second and third rounds, it is more than obvious that I believed him to be his biggest fan. It is his imagination that assumed that I believed him to be the man himself.

Although my arguments may seem "silly" to some, the audience must vote for me because I've been the only one to introduce an argument whatsoever. Not only that, but my argument has never been disputed; it has only been twisted in its meaning for Protagoras' purposes in this debate.

Again, Johnny Depp's biggest fan (not disputed) would want to emulate his idol Johnny Depp (not disputed). Johnny Depp likes the food of McDonald's because of his affiliation with the company (successfully counterargued). Therefore, my opponent likes the food of McDonald's (not even addressed by my opponent).

VOTE PRO!!!
Protagoras

Con

Ha ha, this is amusing, I think m opponent is playing dumb.

I am not Johnny Depp nor am I his biggest fan, my opponent believes I am Johnny Depp's biggest fan simply because my picture is of Johnny Depp. Sure, I am his fan, but that doesn't mean that I do everything Johnny does. Ludicrous!

For the record, my opponent has failed, misarably, to prove that even Johnny Depp likes McDonald's.

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THIS REMAINED UNREFUTED FROM ROUND 2:

"Let us assume:

Let's have fun and assume that my opponent is correct. Let us assume that I am Johnny Depp, I would still admit that I do not enjoy the edible products of McDonald's, none of my opponent's "evidence" proves anything to the contrary.

Take his first source for example:

http://www.primenewswire.com...

In October 2006, Johnny Depp was awarded the "Courage to Care Award" along with McDonald's CEO.

Exactly, that is all that the piece of evidence asserts.

Sure, McDonald's CEO and Johnny Depp receive the same award, BUT, this has nothing to do with him enjoying the food of McDonald's.

His second source:

http://www.yelp.com...

This source is illegitimate considering that this is simply a reviews section of yelp.com. This was written by some random reviewer, clearly not a reliable source.

Even if Johnny Depp used to be a kids meal toy, that doesn't mean he actually likes to eat McDonald's. I mean, everyone would say yes to a 15 million dollar check, if all you had to do was be a doll for a restaurant, despite whether or not you like their food.

His third and final source:

http://johnnydeppfan.com...

And I quote, "Mr. Depp said with a laugh. "At least I have something to fall back on. If things don't work out, in a couple of years I may be doing birthday parties at McDonald's -- as Edward. You know, 200 bucks a party."

First: He only says this would be a last resort.

Second: This was obviously intended as a joke, as pointed out by the laugh.

Third: This is not the conventional job of a McDonald's employee, he would be performing, therefore he would be a performer that happens to be in McDonald's.

Fourth: If my opponent responds by saying, "if he doesn't LIKE McDonald's then why does he say he would work there?"

I'd argue that, as pointed out by my opponent in his opening statement, McDonald's is an extremely popular restaurant, therefore, it would only make sense for him to refer to a generic restaurant as opposed to a restaurant of choice or preference.

Fifth: This laugh may offer insight upon Johnny Depp's inner animosity towards McDonald's.

Sixth: Even if you want to accept this as true, this still does not mean that Johnny Depp actually likes the food of McDonald's."
___________________________________________________________

This above information proves that Johnny Depp is not a fan of McDonal's, this has remained unrefuted and my opponent intentionally attemps to avoid it.

So, even IF I were Johnny Depp's biggest fan, and I followed his lead, I STLL wouldn't like the food of McDonald's.

To the extent that my opponent offers you a muddled interpretation and never proves that I like the food of McDonald's, I ask you to vote CON.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

- Protagoras of Abdera

P.S.

My opponent's statement edited,

"Again, Johnny Depp's biggest fan (DISPUTED TWICE) would want to emulate his idol Johnny Depp (NOT MY IDOL). Johnny Depp likes the food of McDonald's because of his affiliation with the company (PRO DROPS MY ARGUMENTS REGARDING THIS POINT). Therefore, my opponent (DOES NOT) like the food of McDonald's (addressed 3 times by CON).

Please stop lying to the voters PRO, they aren't idiots.

:D
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Im_always_right 9 years ago
Im_always_right
Con did forfeit a round in the round 3 arguement.
Posted by Im_always_right 9 years ago
Im_always_right
How do you know Xera isn't a " butterfly mutant chick", I've seen her, she looks pretty weird...
Posted by PoeJoe 9 years ago
PoeJoe
Ahhh, ure rite. I now sea that the administraters of Rotten Tomatoes share ure sp0t as #1 fan:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com...

I appologiez and I conceding.
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
Ha ha,

In English?

Yeah, I think you were acting clueless throughout the debate, you KNOW I'm not Johnny Depp's biggest fan, I barely qualify as a fan. :)
Posted by PoeJoe 9 years ago
PoeJoe
I is played dumb in this agruenent?
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
Please accept what I posted below as my round three response, the debate indicated that I had like 18 hrs to post my next argument, yet, it only took me like 30 minutes to come up with that rebuttal.

I hate the glitch. Please accept what I say below as my round three rebuttal.
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
ROUND THREE:

Despite my interpretation of his arguments, either way you look at it, he is still wrong.

Allow me to explain:

Let us assume my opponent it correct, like me pretend as if I am in fact Johnny Depp's BIGGEST fan. If I were his biggest fan, then I'd know nearly everything about, like, for instance I would know what restaurants Johnny Depp likes and dislikes.

Since I am more qualified in determining this, (developing ethos), I'd like for you to believe me when I say that, "Johnny Depp does not like the food of McDonald's".

________________

Now let us look at the topic:

The topic indicates that I, being his opponent, like the food of McDonald's. Therefore, since I am not Johnny Depp, as my opponent has conceded in his previous rebuttal, then, Johnny Depp has nothing to do with this debate. Therefore, whatever argument's that my opponent has made in regards to Johnny Depp ought to be dismissed from this debate in its entirety, and you vote CON.
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
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Arguments:

He states,
"Because my opponent has not provided even one argument that indicate that he dislikes the food of McDonald's, the audience must vote CON."

My opponent has yet to do the converse of this action, he has not yet indicated that I in fact DO LIKE the food of McDonald's. The burden of proof is on his side, he is the one in favor of this topic, therefore I ask HIM to provide evidence to indicate that I DO like the food of McDonald's.

The only argument's that my opponent has made thus far, were arguments assuming that I was Johnny Depp, he noticed that he was loosing so then he intentionally switched advocacy's, now he wants me to prove my disapproval. I don't have to PROVE my disapproval, all I have to do, and all I can do, is dismiss any claims that indicate that I like the food of McDonald's. All I can say is that, "I do not like the food of McDonald's", in light of the fact that my opponent has yet to disprove this claim, you should vote CON.

_________________

Thank you for your time and consideration,

- Protagoras of Abdera
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
Please accept what I posted below as my round three response, the debate indicated that I had like 18 hrs to post my next argument, yet, it only took me like 30 minutes to come up with that rebuttal.

I hate the glitch. Please accept what I say below as my round three rebuttal.
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
ROUND 3:

Despite my interpretation of his arguments, either way you look at it, he is still wrong.

Allow me to explain:

Let us assume my opponent it correct, like me pretend as if I am in fact Johnny Depp's BIGGEST fan. If I were his biggest fan, then I'd know nearly everything about, like, for instance I would know what restaurants Johnny Depp likes and dislikes.

Since I am more qualified in determining this, (developing ethos), I'd like for you to believe me when I say that, "Johnny Depp does not like the food of McDonald's".

________________

Now let us look at the topic:

The topic indicates that I, being his opponent, like the food of McDonald's. Therefore, since I am not Johnny Depp, as my opponent has conceded in his previous rebuttal, then, Johnny Depp has nothing to do with this debate. Therefore, whatever argument's that my opponent has made in regards to Johnny Depp ought to be dismissed from this debate in its entirety, and you vote CON.

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Arguments:

He states,
"Because my opponent has not provided even one argument that indicate that he dislikes the food of McDonald's, the audience must vote CON."

My opponent has yet to do the converse of this action, he has not yet indicated that I in fact DO LIKE the food of McDonald's. The burden of proof is on his side, he is the one in favor of this topic, therefore I ask HIM to provide evidence to indicate that I DO like the food of McDonald's.

The only argument's that my opponent has made thus far, were arguments assuming that I was Johnny Depp, he noticed that he was loosing so then he intentionally switched advocacy's, now he wants me to prove my disapproval. I don't have to PROVE my disapproval, all I have to do, and all I can do, is dismiss any claims that indicate that I like the food of McDonald's. All I can say is that, "I do not like the food of McDonald's", in light of the fact that my opponent has yet to disprove this claim, you should vot
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