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s0m31john
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coolmikeb
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My photographs are, on the overall, "better" than my opponents.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/3/2011 Category: Arts
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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s0m31john

Pro

As I lost the last debate regarding this topic [1] , I feel that it must be held again for the redemption of my internet photography honor.

This time around my opponent and I will post two (2) photographs that we have taken ourselves each round with short descriptions and a criticism of their opponent's previous photographs.

My first pair of photographs will take us high up into the mountains of South Korea.

Baekundae, the highest peak in Bukhansan National Park [2] offers a spectacular view of surrounding lower peaks. In the distance can be seen a defensive wall running up the mountain, and in the lower left corner is a Buddhist temple.

Photograph 1: http://www.flickr.com...

Also taken from Baekundae peak, my second photograph shows the neighboring Insubong peak breaking through the thick cloud cover.

Photograph 2: http://www.flickr.com...

Relavant Reading:
[1] http://www.debate.org...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
coolmikeb

Con

i have currently uploded to my profile some of my photos that i have taken. Not to be overall (showoff) i say that i like my pictures more. I think that many will agree. To see these amzing pictures go to:
http://www.debate.org...

Thank oyu for this debate
Debate Round No. 1
s0m31john

Pro

I must first request that my opponent follow the guidelines for this debate set up in my first argument. Two (2) pictures each, per round, each with a short description.

I will accept the first two photographs in that album for the round. I feel this is fair, let me know if you disagree.

http://www.debate.org...
The poor composition of the picture combined with the over exposed background takes much away from this photograph. The head and nose of the horse are cut off and the subject lies dead center, head on, making the photograph appear flat.

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This photograph suffers from poor composition as well with the cut off mountain and horizon. There is also a distracting and out of focus tree in the bottom right corner.

I haven't taken many horse pictures but I have taken many pictures of cosplaying Korean girls, so I hope that is enough to make up for that.

My next two photographs were taken at Comic World [1] in Seoul, the largest convention of its kind in Korea.

Photograph 1: http://www.flickr.com...

Photograph 2: http://www.flickr.com...

Unfortunately I do not know the characters that they are dressed up as, perhaps our voters can tell us in the comments if they know.

Relevant Reading:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
coolmikeb

Con

i like your pictures, but i have one question, how do you have proof that you took these pictures??? They are amzing and i belive you may of have took them. But you have no sighn of yourself in any of the pictures. Here aremy two pictures.

http://www.debate.org...

Debate Round No. 2
s0m31john

Pro

I would again like to ask my opponent to follow the relatively simple guidelines of the debate. Two (2) pictures per round, short description(s), then criticisms or critiques of the opponents photographs.

To address the question of whether or not I took the photos I'll offer some simple evidence. On the same Flickr account is also posted this photograph: http://www.flickr.com... of me sitting on the same peak in the other photographs. I own the Flickr Pro account and can provide receipts of the purchase. I really don't need to continue.

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I'm not really drawn into this photo by anything in particular, the grass in the top right though does offer a nice distraction. More advanced techniques could have been used to change the appearance of the water, slower shutter speed, etc, to provide some blending and a flowing look in the water.

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The background is distracting, half cut off person, random stuff in top left corner also cut off. The person isn't looking at the camera or even away from it in any meaningful way. The shadow on his chest is distracting. This is basically a snapshot.

I enjoy taking pictures of people going about their everyday lives.

Photograph 1: http://www.flickr.com...

This picture was taken under a bridge on the 8.6km long Cheonggyecheon [1] stream that runs through the heart of Seoul. The little boys are being scolded by their father after walking in the river (it's very shallow), which you're not allowed to do.

Photograph 2: http://www.flickr.com...

Shown here is a janitor in Hoegi Station early in the morning. All of the subway stations were very clean, even with the large crowds that move through them. I wonder how tough the day ahead of him was.

Relevant Reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
coolmikeb

Con

here is my next picture at a Melissia Dragon clelbration I like the wate rof the boat rowing the best.

http://www.debate.org...

My next picture is up on a ferris wheel here in okinawa. This picture may not look the best beacuse it was taken by my iphone (left my camera)

http://www.debate.org...
Debate Round No. 3
s0m31john

Pro

s0m31john forfeited this round.
coolmikeb

Con

I see that I have clearly won this round of debates, for that you have fortified. I will continue this so on debate with my two pictures. These I have saved for the last two rounds to be my last marks to winning this debate.

Here is a picture of a crane getting some food in the evening. My lighting on my camera made the good quality of the crane.
http://www.debate.org...

This picture here is one of my favorites. It is a picture of the Ferris wheel her in Okinawa Japan. These is a popular thing here in Japan. and my other picture that I used in round 3 shows what it looks like at the top of the Ferris wheel

http://www.debate.org...
Debate Round No. 4
s0m31john

Pro

s0m31john forfeited this round.
coolmikeb

Con

coolmikeb forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by IFLYHIGH 4 years ago
IFLYHIGH
Wow, that is some amazing photography S0m31john. Best I have seen on the site so far. Only wish I could have voted on this debate...
Posted by coolmikeb 5 years ago
coolmikeb
Why have you not replied?
Posted by Cliff.Stamp 5 years ago
Cliff.Stamp
"He shows no willingness to make improvements and again could not provide a proper argument in this simple 'debate'."

In your opinion, that is not a valid reason. Even if it were true objectively, he is a new member who is trying to engage, do you really think your response is going to have a positive effect.
Posted by delaineyk 5 years ago
delaineyk
s0m31john can hardly be blamed for his disappointment his opponent. coolmikeb is seemingly unable to understand the appropriate format for a debate, and repeatedly fails to refute his opponent's arguments in any of his debates. Additionally, he has issues with simple English Conventions for whatever reason, which impedes his already weak arguments. If people don't want to follow the rules of a debate, they shouldn't accept the challenge; if they insist on ignoring their opponent altogether, their opponent can and should comment on it.
Posted by s0m31john 5 years ago
s0m31john
I stand my by comment and made it after seeing his argument on my debate and his other debates. He shows no willingness to make improvements and again could not provide a proper argument in this simple 'debate'.
Posted by Cliff.Stamp 5 years ago
Cliff.Stamp
"So much for a serious opponent. Is there a way to reject the challenger?"

Nice way to welcome a new member into the community.
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
When the challenge is posted click on advanced options to the right of the opponent. That allows restrictions on age or to higher ranking members. Age is not too good a control, because members can set their age to anything they wish.

Try challenging Racist. He's a fine arts photographer who often judges photo contests.

From our previous photo debate, I learned that in the internet format, people like relatively simple subject matter with bright colors and high contrast. The cosplayers are ideal for that.
Posted by Kinesis 5 years ago
Kinesis
If only. There's an option to only allow people who are ranked the same or higher than you to be allowed to accept a debate when you instigate it. That would only allow people who have 15 or more wins to accept, which should stop anyone completely moronic from accepting.
Posted by s0m31john 5 years ago
s0m31john
So much for a serious opponent. Is there a way to reject the challenger?
Posted by Cliff.Stamp 5 years ago
Cliff.Stamp
Beautiful work, I hope you get a serious challenge here. The last exchange was a lot closer than the voting would imply.
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