My presidential candidate of choice MUST believe in evolution.

artC,

You got royally PWNED!!11 in advidiun's last post, to use a little "net lingo". How you can claim that creationist are illogical and make terrible leaders is beyond me and runs counter to two hundred years of evidence.

Going to have to vote for ArtC on content. I would have voted Con on the last round but it was all new points and no chance for Pro to defend.

Advice: Expound on points more.

daxitarian, did you read any of the debate? I already explained what believing in evolution has to do with being a good president.

Yeah and that's why we'd never elect an Atheist.

What does evolution have to do with being a good president? I would rather have a president who was wrong on evolution, as embarrassing as it might be, but right on policy issues than have someone with the most profound understanding of biology, yet can't grasp the concept of supply and demand. The founders wanted the candidate to be judge on their policy issues, not on other personnel beliefs. That's why there is no test about religion you have to take to run for public office.

I thought I made it clear that I was not debating against religion, although I would like to, I am not. You can be religious and belive in evolution at the same time, look the people running, I believe all the Democrats do and even some of the Republicans.

About atheists not having a central code of morals, just because they are not written, repeated over and over, and recited to us every Sunday does not mean they do not exist.

And just because it is not common knowledge that atheists are moral does not make it an excuse for ignorance. If you can not make an informed decision about an atheist because it isn't popular belief that we have morals, then you shouldn't be voting for anything.

For atheist morals are subjective and there is barely if any central code of morals, which would lead to distrust. Christians have a set of morals that anybody can read about-and if they don't follow those morals and call themselves Christians they are opening themselves to a lot of criticism. It's about knowing whats coming in the package.

Secondly most Americans are religious and Christians are the religious majority. If a President is to be elected in office he is suppose to represent the people. And historically he has at least in that regard because every single president has been from some protestant denomination or catholic(JFK).

But I think even Christians are fair enough to look at a persons political career and positions to make their decision. I think artC you are doing what many of us Christian's get accused of and that is voting based upon a candidates religious beliefs. Becuase you say the first thing you do is filter out any candidate who believes in creationism or an alternative to evolution.

How about we be fair minded and look at Hucakbee's record instead of just a hand motion one night. If your a logical person it doesn't mean your going to arrive to the same conclusion as another logical person. Why not instead look at how a person uses logical in his daily life to decide if he posses the ability to make logical decisions.

Everyone of us posses a bit of logic. When we are hungry we can deduce that we need to eat. We decide becuase in the past when our parents made us eat we weren't hungry anymore. So it's even hard to call someone completely illogical. Maybe the proper accusation would be to say that people use logic backwards to support their premise instead of using logic the other way and arriving to a conclusion.

No, I took it as an actual inquiry. Obama's a good man.

that's a powerful statement he made. and i hope you don't think i was being sarcastic when asking that question, i really didn't know if he believed in it or not.

In The Audacity of Hope, on page 10, Obama states, "I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose anybody's religious beliefs---including my own---on nonbelievers."

Barack Obama is an openly Christian man, I believe he has real faith and not just the kind you need to get elected in this country, yet he does not deny science.