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pekindaddy
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MtthwUsaf
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21 Points

NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC

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Started: 12/22/2007 Category: Technology
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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pekindaddy

Con

When we pass a law it must benefit all not just a few.
The business owner must decide if he wants smoking or not.
The government should stay out of peoples freedom.
MtthwUsaf

Pro

Yay for Uncle Sam vs Uncle Sam, ok, on with the debate.

I can't remember which Supreme Court judge defined personal freedom this way but I have always liked it. "Your right to swing your fist ends at the point where you contact another persons nose." This is basically the generally held belief that you can do what you want if you are not hurting others. So the question becomes, what is hurting others.

In my opinion, since links have been made between second hand smoking and cancer, my smoking in my favorite bar or store or wherever, is harming you. Sure you could leave, but what gives me the right to force you out. It is that public good that has led many cities and some states to pass laws banning smoking in public and I am all for it. Which does suck since I would like to be able to smoke a cigar at my local bar sometimes, but whatever, I can live with it.
Debate Round No. 1
pekindaddy

Con

Still this is America, and if I own a business it is my choice if I want to let my customers smoke or not.
The goverment has no right to tell me that I can't smoke.
If a customer doesn't want to go to a smoke place then that customer should go to a NON_Smoking place. then all are happy.
The truth is that the goverment wants to prove that they can control us.
THEY ARE WINNING.
MtthwUsaf

Pro

I think the first thing that I want to make clear is that the US government has not passed a law saying that you can't smoke in public, only state and local governments have been passing these laws. I do think that that makes a difference because those local governments can better decide what is needed for their population. This is not an effort of Big Brother to control you, if anything it is little brother trying to control you but it is alot easier to beat up little brother. What I mean is that it is alot easier for you to get your city council voted out of office than all of congress.

I think that this law is an example of governments doing something that the market should but wasn't solving for. Public opinion polls in California show that about 60 or 70 percent of the population is for keeping the ban in place. Research also shows that more people started going to resturaunts after the ban was put in place. What this shows is that there was an obvious demand for smoke free places but for some reason those places were not being created. That demand was most likely there because of the public health issue. Thus I feel that it was the correct place for government to step in.

Take the example of an internation highway system, I know it sounds weird but stay with me. There is an obvious economic benifit to having a large interstate highway system, but the chances of the market solving for for that demand, i.e. having individual contractors come together and build the thing, was extremely small. So the government stepped up and said YOU WILL BUILD THIS. That is not government telling up what to do, it is the government helping us out with something that was wanted but for some reason wasn't happening.

If the ban was enacted and patronship went down, then that would be different. That would be the government putting in place something that was not wanted. But that is not what is happening around the country.
Debate Round No. 2
pekindaddy

Con

pekindaddy forfeited this round.
MtthwUsaf

Pro

MtthwUsaf forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Capt.Herp 9 years ago
Capt.Herp
"They (the gov't) is simply caring for other people."

That idea has never worked very well in communist or socialist countries. The government in the US is not supposed to be in the business of infringing on the rights of one individual to protect someone else from being annoyed, regardless of what you think of smoking.
Posted by Masterworks 9 years ago
Masterworks
They (the gov't) is simply caring for other people. If you look at studies, they show that secondhand smoke (the kind inhaled by people around the smoker) is just as harmful if not worse than the smoke the smoker inhales. So if the damage caused to others is equal to or greater than the damage caused to the smoker, it's like attacking/killing people slowly. Sure, there is an addiction factor, but that's what we have nicotine patches, gums, and other medicines for. There's also the "cold turkey" option for those who don't trust medications. Quit smoking. It just messes you and everyone else up. And for what? A little good feeling for a few minutes?
Posted by Capt.Herp 9 years ago
Capt.Herp
Private business owners should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking in their establishments if they own them, just the same as people who decide they will allow smoking in their homes. If people don't like smoking, they can take their business to a smoke-free establishment. To order a private business owner as to what he or she can do with their own business is anti-American.
Posted by buckaroo54 9 years ago
buckaroo54
MtthwUsaf, the quotation you referred to comes from Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."
Posted by Whiplash 9 years ago
Whiplash
If you want to kill yourself by smoking, go ahead, but do it in a way that doesn't kill others too.
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
argghh i really wanna debate someone, but i agree with this too much to take the challenge
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