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Naruto vs Luffy

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gagekilmer
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/9/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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thestickmanful

Pro

Hello, I'm thestickmanful, and I will defend Luffy in this debate. Here we will argue about the strength of the two characters in a polite and good arguments respecting one another as well. I would like to see which of the two characters would win, please come to the candidate in favor of Naruto, grateful.
gagekilmer

Con

I will gladly debate narutos strength to luffys
Debate Round No. 1
thestickmanful

Pro

Thank you for the debate, let's begin.
just to have an idea of what to discuss, I'll put some quotes in this debate as
1 - Gomu Gomu no mi - Devil Fruit powers it grants to the User who eat it, turning into rubber, it is only made R03;R03;of rubber, can stretch as well as understand, inflates, and not feel physical pain by means common (example - if it hammering the finger unintentionally, will not hurt it).
2 - Gear Second - Luffy to be made R03;R03;of rubber bombards masses thick rubber, which can activate your bloodstream throughout the body, as he makes an adrenaline whenever you want, getting extremely fast, strong, agile, and resilient, etc.
3 - Third Gear - Luffy can inflate its members rubber leaving them with large ma"ivamente thunderous attacks.
4 - Haki - mysterious spiritual force present in all living things, the first is the observation haki such as anticipate attacks, have awareness of what goes around, etc., the 2 weapons, physical attacks can leave much more powerful, as Haki put on a stone and playing in a tree, cut the tree and the damage is unusual, also make invisible barriers for defense, and virtually indestructible. 3 has very few (Luffy has), it is the intimidation or the King, he intimidates the mind releasing its golden, needing a minimum of mental effort to be conscious in front of the 3 haki user and can even break things.
That, hopefully, have a great debate.
gagekilmer

Con

That... was difficult to understand... however I will proceed. The Kyuubi inside of naruto is akin to the gomu gomu no mi in some ways. Due to the kyuubi sealed inside of him naruto possesses an advanced healing factor, shown after his fight with the demon brothers (when he tried to drain the poison out of his blood by stabbing a kunai through his hand, and moments later there was no injury.) and also during his fight with pain (when he is impaled six times with rods that prevent him from using his energy, he becomes enraged at the death of hinata, and is shown to be healthy once he calms down.) Naruto also has complete control over the chakra (energy) in his body, as shown by his early training with kakashi, during the zabuza arc. Naruto also has the ability to summon the sage frogs, who were able to defeat pains summons with relative ease. In response to the haki ability to anticipate attacks and discern the surroundings, naruto learns to work with the kyuubi and can detect negative emotions and sense chakra, meaning that similar to the sharingan and the byakugan naruto can see attacks before they happen, and utilize his superior speed to dodge any technique luffy can use.
VOTE CON!

I await your response
Debate Round No. 2
thestickmanful

Pro

thanks and continue
Luffy in his second gear seems faster than anything we've seen in Naruto, in ep 272, when he uses the first time, we have thought of so great is its speed. Luffy has a certain resistance to various types of thick materials, any physical attack Naruto would be useless, since a sword was used against him in the first episode and was broken to pieces at once. Luffy attacks is much worse, coming to destroy an entire ship with only physical attacks, showing up to fold an entire city, breaking it up with your strength, without any kind of Haki. It is more than remarkable that when Naruto get some direct attack of Luffy, will be in serious trouble. When you mentioned the view in the user's chakra, chakra let's remember that the world is not the OP, only Haki.
gagekilmer

Con

Good argument, though I should have stated that I was arguing under the assumption that chakra and haki were equivocal.
P1. Luffy is faster in gear two than anything in naruto. not true, luffy is supersonic in gear three and as shown in the movie Naruto Shippuden: Power, naruto moves faster than can be seen, and yes luffy still could be faster were it not for the fact that when naruto unlocked the nine-tails chakra he learned his fathers teleportation no jutsu, meaning naruto can move faster than luffy in any form.
P2. Physical attacks would be useless. Not necessarily, because he is rubber he cannot be damaged by blunt force, however naruto's rasengan grinds into his opponent, and, on occasion explodes. Also not to be overlooked is the fact that the Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken destroys organic matter on a cellular level, meaning that even luffy would be seriously injured my a hit from one.
P3. Luffys incredible strength is similar to that of the raikage, tsunade, and sakura. The latter of whom has punched naruto through a mountain, the only injury to naruto being a bump on his head.
P4. I didn't want to use this so soon, however remember that the main weakness of people who eat the devil fruit is water, If they are more than half submerged in the water they lose even the ability to move in most cases. As stated in One Piece "They sink like a rock". Although naruto is a wind style user he can summon Gamabunta, A giant toad who can use water blasts.
P5. As shown with his battle with pain naruto mastered toad kumite, which allows him to attack without being seen, If you are not familiar with the technique, Naruto seems like his attack has missed yet it still hits its mark with no visibility. It was able to hit pain, while the others were all still alive and visually linked. Even luffy cannot dodge and attack he cannot see.

VOTE CON

I await your response!
Debate Round No. 3
thestickmanful

Pro

P1. Luffy is still faster than Naruto, as in Movie 11 OP, he has a surprising agility, not to mention that it is made of rubber and is very rough, and its friction makes it less sliding, moving around even faster. The teleportation is not speed, because speed is distance that a body is in a certain period of time, we will see in machines teleport in movies, they do not move, just have their atoms transported to that place, they do not mecheram a finger for this reason, can not be regarded speed.
P2. Actually not quite. The Rasengan does not have a destructive power so massive. When Naruto uses it at Kabuto, he gets burned his abdomen. We can see that Luffy resists bullets that pierce people immediately without problems, since the rasengan can not punch people so easily. Only if you are counting the Bijuu Dama Rasengan shaped, there's another story.
P3. This was only shown as a moment of comedic anime, it was not something serious with real physical damage, only part of the fun and time to desestresse.
P4. Ai now enters another detail, depends on the water you are talking about, fresh water, does not affect either the Devil Fruit user, because she did not have the energy of the sea. Not to mention that the Haki of Observation kicks in again, predicting that Gamabunta would with, instantly causing Luffy use his blows against him, resulting in Unsummoning own. Not to mention that Luffy can now make barriers Haki, virtually indestructible, not letting the water reach around himself.
" P5. The Third Haki enter the time, because with the observation that he has, he would find, because even if Luffy never familizarizado with Kumite, Any abnormality found, automatically Haki can find both Rayleigh explains that in 516 he can observe any living being around his Range while he visible or not.

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gagekilmer

Con

First and foremost lets keep round five for recapping.
P1. It is called the teleportation jutsu because the use can move from one point to another instantaneously, which is still speed. If you can go from start to finish, the same distance in a shorter period of time, you are faster. Your first point is invalid. Also naruto is clearly seen moving enormous distances almost instantaneously without the use of the teleportation no jutsu.
P2. You are referring to pre-time skip naruto. His power has grown drastically since his fight with Kabuto, strong enough to defeat several accomplished ninja by himself using rasengan. I was referring to all forms of the rasengan, and you failed to dispute that the rasen shuriken would severely injure luffy.
P3. I will concede it was comedic, however it is still Canon and as such a testament to naruto a staying power. Also notable that naruto trained for 4 days straight with no rest during the zabuza arc, at which point he was much weaker and was twelve years old.
P4. False, the creator said in an interview that all water is considered part of the sea. Whether it is streams rivers or lakes, if they are more than half submerged then they're affected by it. That's why they prefer to shower because they can't submerge themselves.
P5. I will concede to your point
P6. I've neglected to mention narutos ability to create shadow clones by the thousands, and the ability to create six equal power clones in sage mode
P7. The elder frogs that naruto summons can use the frog song genjutsu from a large distance, incapacitating the opponent indefinitely so long as the song is heard. The only way to defend against it is by overpowering it with your own chakra, however earlier my opponent pointed out that he did not view chakra and Haki as equivocal meaning puffy would be unable to dodge or escape the genjutsu. It incapacitates the body and the mind so the haki barriers would be gone and naruto could do any technique he pleases.
P8. Luffys third gear is similar to lee and guys 8 gates. Lee and guy together, after unlocking 6 gates did no damage to the kyuubi in Naruto Shippuden: Power. At the end naruto was seen damaging and dodging the Kyuubi with no apparent difficulty
Debate Round No. 4
thestickmanful

Pro

Good morning and sorry for the delay
P1. I do not agree with your argument. Teleportation is nothing less than the reconstruction of a physical body to the other, and the body does not come all this distance, because that would be speed. The light for example, running all the way you're running, in this case, so it is fast, even unintentionally put real physical effects in the world of Naruto. And yes, your point is correct, I even witnessed Naruto at that speed, but that speed is not as fast as Luffy.
P2. You focused only on the size of rasengan, not in its destructive power, as there was no drastic changes in common rasengan that Naruto can do. Naruto was never seen punching someone to the point of ripping someone's torso completely. And yes, the Rasenshuriken could give damage to Luffy, but since the Isle of newts, was launched on Water Luffy one of a merman able to cut the ground like butter without counting mountains. Luffy able to handle all that damage, since the Rasenshuriken has the same effect. Luffy would only burned, but it would not be cut.
P4. I agree partially. For Luffy already had heavy workouts such as a child with Garp "The Hero", as shown in the Goa Kingdom, leaving Luffy picking the monkeys tirelessly all afternoon bruised. Naruto trained not taking a beating.
P4. I think not well clarified, the user can not even swim, the more submerged water actually loses energies. But the energy of the sea is more precisely strongly about this. Freshwater not have much effect, as you mentioned, they can shower letting the water drain, which could not only if it was seawater.
P5. Thank you.
P6. This is irrelevant because Luffy has managed to achieve all of elasticity in a short period of time, not counting the Gear Third, it would inflate their hands, attacking all at once, making all disappear again.
P7. The Genjutsu if not work with Luffy because the genjustu relies on manipulating the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, not affecting those who lack such spiritual energy, in which case the staff of One Piece is Haki. Even though the idea is the same spiritual power that exerts influences of power, is not the same thing, so you can not master something that is not chakra, in the case of genjutsu.
P8. Luffy, as seen in the movie 10, Strong World, at the end of the film, he manages to leave his leg the size of the fox nine tails, that attack with frighteningly giant, managed to almost destroy the island where they were, surely Luffy defeat the Fox 9 tails (this point is only being added because there is no problem dodging Naruto fox like you said).
gagekilmer

Con

I was highly impressed with the end of your debate. nice work.
P1. Teleportation would still allow naruto to dodge any of luffys attacks,and to charge attacks at long range and strike at short range. I have seen luffy moving at his top speed and I believe naruto to be faster because his movements are near instantaneous.
P2. I said nothing about the size of the rasengan, I only stated that he has grown in power enough to defeat several opponents with only one strike. And is different than a mermans sword. a sword does not destroy organic matter on a cellular level. It does not matter who, the rasen shuriken will destroy them if they are alive. Also to point out that naruto has punched his fist directly through the chest and back of a reanimation.
P3. Perhaps not taking a physical beating, however it was also psychological training, and for the physical aspect he was falling from great heights repeatedly.
P4. The creator specifically states that any water will incapacitate someone who has eaten the gomu gomu no mi, so long as they are at least halfway submerged.
P5. Perhaps with narutos normal clones, however his sage mode clones have been shown to be able to get hit and are all equal power to naruto himself, he wont be hit easily.
P6. Good point. I believe frog song works differently, however I dont remember so I will give you that point. Very Clever.
P7. luffy can stomp on the nine tails, however a tailed beast bomb, even to the foot, will do damage, considering it is one of the most devastating techniques in the series.
P8. Naruto is a better strategist. Even in the zabuza arc, one of the first pre-time skip arcs, he had shown more battle strategy in the fight with zabuza than I have seen luffy use throughout his whole series. Not to mention that he learned how to better fight his opponents from the reanimated Itachi Uchiha.
P9. Naruto has been shown to be able to use powerful sealing jutsu which allow him to disable an enemy of every size.
P10. Naruto has access to ninja tools, such as food pills, which basically make him temporarily invulnerable.

So to summarize:
1. naruto can teleport and has speed roughly equal to that of luffy without doing so
2. naruto has techniques that can destroy organic matter, and otherwise damage luffy
3. naruto has incredible stamina on his own, which is supplemented by the kyuubis immense chakra
4. naruto can create multiple powerful clones of himself
5. naruto can attack luffy with water, which is luffys greatest weakness
6. Naruto can incapacitate most living things with a sealing jutsu
7. Narutos Kyuubi, although easily beatable, can inflict massive damage in a short period of time.
8. Naruto has access to weapons and tools, some of which can make him temporarily invulnerable.
9. Naruto is a much better strategist, even at age twelve, than luffy at age 18.
10. Naruto can create any part of the kyuubi on command to protect him.
11. Narutos normal clones can confuse luffy, and as shown in his internal battle with his Biju, they can all use the rasengan simultaniosly to overwhelm the opponent.

VOTE CON

I thoroughly enjoyed the debate, and I commend you on your knowledge of both series. may the best man win
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: If this had been concerning pre-timeskip Naruto or even Naruto before his training with Killer Bee, I would've given it to Luffy. However, his mastery of both the nine-tails chakra and Minato's teleportation technique easily give Naruto the edge. His toad summoning is also key.
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Reasons for voting decision: Yea, I just think the con did better. good job to both of you.