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Naruto vs. One Piece 2013 1v1

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Started: 8/26/2013 Category: Miscellaneous
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Unruly_Hybrid

Pro

Rules:Choose one character from One Piece.Character cannot be deceased.4 rounds for this debate.1st round you must state your character.Put down powers the character holds.You must provide a Bio of your character.Where they Oringinally came from.6,ooo charaters/words.12 hours to rebuttle.Arena: Naruto- The 4th Great Ninja War Wasteland.I will start of first with my Naruto character.Character Name Mardara Uchiha.Clan/Hometown Uchiha Clan.Powers/abilities All elements, Sharigan, Rinnigan, 1st Hokage's wood style, and Susano.Bio Mardara Uchiha was a student of one of the Sage Paths. Ridioku. He was given a power of the sharigan. His "brother" or best friend was the 1st Hokage. Later on he fought him. Then he lost. Second time they fought but then the hokage died. He soon died later also. He gained the Rinngan as soon as his death. Years later he was reanimated by a justu that was proformed by Kabto. Now he is fighting along-side with the 1st Hokage who is also reanimated, against Obito. He soon will try to conceal the Ten Tailed Beast name Jyuubi, from Obito. Now it is my opponent's turn to put their characters and their infromation. Then we will start the debate in round two!
GiantSpoonMan

Con

I accept your debate.

I will be choosing Admiral Kizaru from One Piece.

onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Borsalino <---- Link to wiki

Kizaru has the ability to move at the speed of light thanks to his Pika Pika fruit. Using this ability he has unmatched speed in battle plus strong long ranged attacks. As a part of the navy he is considered a villain in the one piece world.
Debate Round No. 1
Unruly_Hybrid

Pro

Argument
Mardara will beat Admiral Kizaru if he don't have knowlegde about him. Why? Because Mardara is one of the most overpowered characters on Naruto. Sure Kizaru runs at the speed of light. But Mardara performs all element. Also Mardara can use his susano against Kizaru. Can Kizaru really break through a Susano that can regenerate at rapid pace? No he cannot. The Susano that Mardara uses is one of the most powerful Susanos in the Naruto World compared to Sasuke or Itachi. Yeah, Kizaru will get a few hits on Mardara but it won't affect him. Mardara can predict your fighting style in mere seconds with his sharigan and rinngan. Can you really go up against that? Mardara is a very dangerous man in the Naruto world even the name makes the people tremble with fear. Kizaru he just known as a Admiral. That's nothing special there. Kizaru can probably get multi-hits with his speed. I will admit that. He might even hit him till Mardara can finally push back, then charge to attack. But in the end Mardara will whoop Kizaru. If you don't this that will happen.


Ways Mardara could hurt Kizaru
Mardara can use water-style without knowing that's one of Kizaru weakness. (Smoke and Water)
Mardara can use his world shattering justu- Shattered Heaven. (Giant balls that can destory a area as big as a state.) Deadly bro.
He can also use his sharigan to use his clan famous gen-justu-tsukyomi. Which is a justu that involves getting trapped inside a chair, surronded by tons of clone of Mardara and getting stabbed by all of them.
Of course you would probably say," One Piece doesn't have charka."
Actually they do like normal human does. We all use charka in real life. No MATTER WHAT THE ANIME IS. THEY HAVE CHARKA. They just don't use it like Naruto does. Naruto, they perfect their abilites to use their charka unlike other animes.

To understand with Tsukyomi....... (BELOW)







Also intresting factoid- Charka is also called chi which is parts of our bodies that allows us to move. IF we didn't have chi we wouldn't able to move.




GiantSpoonMan

Con

Kizaru is too fast. Madara has never once fought someone that can move NEAR the speed of light. Even Minato who has the ability to teleport to his own chakra must first set up his kunai and cannot move freely. How will Madara stop kizaru? The sharingan will not do much for him due to the fact that it can predict movements based on muscle tension, not a big help when you are composed of light. Lets also take a look at how Madara was previously killed, a sword. Madara has very little durability without susonoo or his reanimated body.

Now i will talk about haki. The two types of haki that we know Kizaru can use are armament and observation. Armament haki is also know as "invisible armor" and can make intangible targets tangible. Even though Madara's body can reform he will still get injured due to this haki. Let's be honest, Madara cannot take a kick at the speed of light. I would go as far to say that susonoo cannot even take such a blow due to the fact that this kick completely destroyed a tree that was many times larger than susonoo. Above all this was just a casual kick from Kizaru, he was just toying around. There's also observation haki to deal with. Observation haki literally gives the user the ability to see things slightly before they happen. How can Madara hit someone who moves at the speed of light and sees things before they happen?

Next let's talk about range. Both Madara and Kizaru have pretty long range using Madara's fire style and Kizaru's laser attack. The problem that arises is the fact that Madara can only breath fire for a set duration(as long as he can exhale) while Kizaru can easily keep his lasers firing. After Madara runs out of breath he will be forced to stay on the defensive while a barrage of lasers wears down his susonoo.

Due to the extremely large gap in speed between these two characters Madara will have to stay on the defensive for nearly the entire fight. This is just according to basic logic, the faster guy gets to set and direct the pace of the fight. How long would Madara really be able to defend against a man so fast? Not long. No one can take too many kicks at the speed of light period.
Debate Round No. 2
Unruly_Hybrid

Pro

As my opponent said that the sharigan that Mardara posses cannot copy speed or fighting style is incorrect. Even with the speed that the Admiral posses CAN be copied. Once again as I said in my last argument. One Piece doesn't hold knowledge like Naruto. So how will the Admiral be able to predict the move or justu Mardara will use.



Rebuttle

You stated-The two types of haki that we know Kizaru can use are armament and observation. Armament haki is also know as "invisible armor" and can make intangible targets tangible. Even though Madara's body can reform he will still get injured due to this haki.

Well I stated also in the last arugement that Mardara holds a Susano which is basically armor. Also all character have weaknesses like Mardara and Kizaru. They both are considered "Gods" in the universe but Kizaru weakness is darkness or anything that reflects light. Mardara could use his kunai with can reflect light. The Only weakness Mardara has is his body. Which is he only have a couple of months before it withers away. Then you have water style that Mardara porforms with the help of his Rinningan. Or he can use a smoke justu that surrounds Kizaru and trap him for a short amount of time. Finally Mardara can simply Slow down the speed with his sharingan by watching Kizaru's movements. Like Sasuke when he fought rock lee. Sasuke had slow down the speed in his sharingan to see how his movements were.




GiantSpoonMan

Con

My opponent states, "the sharigan that Mardara posses cannot copy speed or fighting style is incorrect. Even with the speed that the Admiral posses CAN be copied." The reason this is incorrect is as follows, the five chakra branches are, fire, water, earth, wind, and lightning. If Kizaru's technique was based on one of these five chakra branches then Madara could copy it. Kizaru doesn't use ninjutsu, he uses abilities that he aquired through the consumption of a devil fruit (http://onepiece.wikia.com...). These techniques cannot be copied, they are only usable by the person who ate the devil fruit.


My opponent also states, "Then you have water style that Mardara porforms with the help of his Rinningan. Or he can use a smoke justu that surrounds Kizaru and trap him for a short amount of time." "Mardara will beat Admiral Kizaru if he don't have knowlegde about him." These two statements completely contridict eachother. If Madara has no knowledge of Kizaru's abilities and thus his weaknesses, why would he use water style? Madara has not once in the manga used water style, he relies on fire, susonoo, sharingan, and Senju DNA. Knowing this we can safely assume that Madara will not be using water style.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the sharingan truly does. "As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker's next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counter-attack or dodge without any wasted movement." (http://naruto.wikia.com...) Sharingan can only read movements, not see them before they happen. When Sasuke faught lee he was unable to keep up with him even though he read his movements using sharingan. Lee states,"Even if you can read my movements with your eyes, your body doesn't have the speed to react to my taijutsu. Basically,even if you can see it, if your body can't move it's pointless." (http://www.narutoforums.com...). Clearly the sharingan is very weak against fast targets, even at lee's level. Let's compare lee's speed to Kizaru's.
These speeds are for post timeskip lee, so they are actually higher than young lee but will work.
speed-Hypersonic+ | Hypersonic+, faster than in base (http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com...)
Kizaru speed- Massively hypersonic normally (far faster than pre-TS Supernovas), speed of light when traveling as light
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com...;
There is no way that madara can track Kizaru even in BASE mode(not turning into light).

Another key factor is Kizaru can kick as many times as he wants at an extremely rapid pace. Let's also take into account the personalities of each fighter. Kizaru used his kicks on people he knew were FAR weaker than him, just to get it over with. Madara on the other hand NEVER tries right off the bat when he fights. He is far too cocky to fight Kizaru. You cannot just stand there with your arms crossed and expect to avoid a kick at the speed of light, sorry.
Debate Round No. 3
Unruly_Hybrid

Pro

Rebuttle

Now its my turn to rebuttle. Madara later on uses a justu call Izangi. Which is called a forbidden justu for a reason. The justu is unknown.


My opponent stated - These two statements completely contridict eachother. If Madara has no knowledge of Kizaru's abilities and thus his weaknesses, why would he use water style? Madara has not once in the manga used water style, he relies on fire, susonoo, sharingan, and Senju DNA. Knowing this we can safely assume that Madara will not be using water style.

Well that may be true but as humans its in our nature to be desperate. When Madara is having diffculties with Kizaru he will pull out all the justus he know including water and smoke. Then what would Kizaru be doing while Madara is running swiftly and proforming all justus he knows? Kizaru obviously would be chasing Madara. Then when the right time occurs he would hit Kizaru with a water justu thus finding out Kizaru's weakness.


My opponent also state - When Sasuke faught lee he was unable to keep up with him even though he read his movements using sharingan. Lee states,"Even if you can read my movements with your eyes, your body doesn't have the speed to react to my taijutsu. Basically,even if you can see it, if your body can't move it's pointless." (http://www.narutoforums.com......). Clearly the sharingan is very weak against fast targets, even at lee's level.


That episode was when Sasuke was young and only had three dots other than a fully active sharingan. Were talking Madara with Sharingan and Rinnigan which is a powerful combination. In the episode of his revival he moved his eyes around quickly. Was because he was predict which movement they would use. Then he destoryed them all within 5 minutes. Kizaru can't be like Sanji lifting his leg and kicking. He would need to be moving around.


Last my opponent stated- There is no way that madara can track Kizaru even in BASE mode(not turning into light).


Then Kizaru would be obviously stupid to do that. Madara would simply attack him at close range. When Kizaru turns into light you can't touch him right? Well Madara wouldn't need to. Like I stated in the first arugement. Madara would simply try to use some justu will being chase by a light. Then he would get desperate enough to pull out all elements. Also he can use his rinnigan to manlupate the elements. He would simply draw the smoke from the fire and attack him with it. Or if Madara finds a water source and uses his rinnigan there. What would Kizaru do then? Maybe dash away or something? Then Madara would realized that water is his weakness and smirk. Then he would start using water style again Kizaru. Then what then. Madara would always come out on top. He even predicted that someone would try to revive him to life. Guess he was right. So if Kizaru wants to beat Madara he would have to figure out how to hide for several months. Maybe by then Madara would have his real body along with the Jyuubi( Ten tailed beast). Therefore Madara would win in a long drag out battle with Kizaru.


Also I will be doing a debate on Might Guy vs Sanji Black Leg. If you are interested text me. It fun having you as a opponent. Some who actually knows what they're talking about. :)


GiantSpoonMan

Con

Rebuttle

My opponent states- Well that may be true but as humans its in our nature to be desperate. When Madara is having diffculties with Kizaru he will pull out all the justus he know including water and smoke. Then what would Kizaru be doing while Madara is running swiftly and proforming all justus he knows? Kizaru obviously would be chasing Madara. Then when the right time occurs he would hit Kizaru with a water justu thus finding out Kizaru's weakness.

By the time Madara has used up all of the tricks up his sleve and is resorting to water style jutsu, he will be dead. Madara cannot make the hand signs to use water style faster than the speed of light, so how will he do this?


In the link above, drake has literally no idea that kizaru is attacking him until it's too late. Kizaru is way too fast.

That episode was when Sasuke was young and only had three dots other than a fully active sharingan. Were talking Madara with Sharingan and Rinnigan which is a powerful combination. In the episode of his revival he moved his eyes around quickly. Was because he was predict which movement they would use. Then he destoryed them all within 5 minutes. Kizaru can't be like Sanji lifting his leg and kicking. He would need to be moving around.




In his battle against the five kage, Madara is getting hit multiple times. None of the kage are even CLOSE to the Kizaru in strength or speed. How can Madara dodge Kizaru when he cannot dodge Tsunade? Also Madara's sharingan has never been said to be any better at detecting muscle tention than sasuke's, it gets its strength from other ways.

When fighting Whitebeard Kizaru is just playing around yet whitebeard is unable to hit him. This shows how powerful Kizaru truly is.



Debate Round No. 4
Unruly_Hybrid

Pro

Rebuttle

Well the battle against the five kage was Madara plan. As I said in the last arugement Madara had the entire thing planned out. He knew there would be a great ninja war again. So he plotted before his battle with the 1st hokage. He was toying around with the kages. Would you really thing he pull out some of his most powerful justus against the kages. He needs them to play their role. He left them alive on purpose. Think about it, a powerful ninja in the Naruto universe actually using all his powers against the five kages. If he got easily beat like that, he doesn't even deserved to be called a powerful ninja. If Madara was really trying against the kages he kill them in mere seconds.

- In his battle against the five kage, Madara is getting hit multiple times. None of the kage are even CLOSE to the Kizaru in strength or speed. How can Madara dodge Kizaru when he cannot dodge Tsunade? Also Madara's sharingan has never been said to be any better at detecting muscle tention than sasuke's, it gets its strength from other ways.

Do you personally think a member of the sage of six paths would lose to kages who barely have time to fight and too busy writing in the office. Also you got a guy who looks like Drake talkin bout yolo. Madara looks like he smoked too much train wreck weed. If Kizaru uses his speed, the Madara would simply pull out kunai or shurkiken and deflect him. Beside Madara can regenerate. So he can wear Kizaru down and blow him with a short breath. Evidencly yes his sharingain is faster and stronger than sasuke's. There are different types of sharingans. Madara has Mangekyou sharingan's abilities hasn't been fully revealed. So by then, his sharigan can be so powerful he can take on the admirals himself no problem. Then later on in the episodes he will steal obito/tobi's ten tailed and get his real body back. The tailed beasts power is so dangerous. One tailed beast bomb can destory half the world. Can Kizaru really dogde that. Can he even fight a fully involved Ten tailed beast that Ridikou died from trying to kill.




GiantSpoonMan

Con

GiantSpoonMan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by GiantSpoonMan 3 years ago
GiantSpoonMan
I'm very sorry, I ran out of time to post my argument!
Posted by Unruly_Hybrid 3 years ago
Unruly_Hybrid
The debate is basically any characters you choose freely. Then you debate on why you think or know that character would win. Then you the voter will decide which will win. YOU CANNOT CHOOSE JUST THE SHOW YOU LIKE. THATS CHEATING. THATS NOT ALLOWED.
Posted by Elusivetruth 3 years ago
Elusivetruth
Hmmm... what is the debate about exactly? I'm not clear on what happens after both characters have been described. Is it a debate about which character would win a fight?
Posted by Cobo 3 years ago
Cobo
Oh and can you increase the time to 48 hours and limit the characters to 4000?
Posted by Cobo 3 years ago
Cobo
Take away that stupid video requirement and I'm in.
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