The Instigator
VolksUnion
Pro (for)
Losing
3 Points
The Contender
ChosenWolff
Con (against)
Winning
8 Points

National Socialism/Fascism is not the same as supremacism.

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after 3 votes the winner is...
ChosenWolff
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/22/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,738 times Debate No: 56983
Debate Rounds (3)
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Votes (3)

 

VolksUnion

Pro

National Socialism and Fascism are not the same as white supremacism, or any supremacism in that matter.
Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, and any other NS/Fascist leader in history were not supremacists, they did not support supremacism either.
The KKK are not really nazis/national socialists, they are nationalists yes but they are also supremacists.
Everyone thinks nazism is only for the white man, but explain why the spanish had nazism, explain why the japanese had nazism, not really nazism but national imperialism.
Explain why Hitler had asian, arab, white, black, and hispanic soldiers/allies.
It is NOT supremacism.
ChosenWolff

Con

I accept this debate under the Right Wing National Socialist clause. Not the Fascism one, although Nazi's were fascists.
Debate Round No. 1
VolksUnion

Pro

You do realize i am not a racist? Nor am i fascist? While National Socialism was a dictatorship it wasn't the same as fascism dictatorship, but it was similar.

Now to get back to the point, im not a racist, nor did i ever say i was a racist, i brought up the KKK because to prove they arent real nazis they are supremacist retards.
Maybe read what i posted next time?
ChosenWolff

Con

I. National Socialism/Practical Historical Context

There is a very important thing we need to consider
Debate Round No. 2
VolksUnion

Pro

VolksUnion forfeited this round.
ChosenWolff

Con

I. Defining Supremacism
    1. Supremacism
    1. Supremacism is the belief that a particular age, race, species, ethnic group, religion, gender, sexual orientation, class, belief system or culture is superior to others and entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not.
I.V. Alliance system

This was more a a politically associated thing. It does not disregard the numerous other points.


II. Proof that the Nazis were supremacists

There are several factors that lead us to believe the Nazi's were supremacist. As Adam2 attempts to claim, they are nationalists. According to the provided definition, my opponent has conceded that the Nazi's believe that their nationality was better than others. Supremacy. Additionally, we know from mein kampf, the nazi manifesto, and the propaganda/distributed literature by the national socialists was teaching that white aryans had more intellectual traits. Plus, we are well aware that the nazis engaged in the slaughter of 11 million people, all of differenct races, cultures, and ethnic groups. Hence, the Nazis are 100% supremacists.

III. BOP burdens

The opposition has made a definitive and affirmative claim that nazism isn't supremacism, yet does nothing to back this claim up. Instead restating what the nazis were and what they aren't. Instead forfeiting and using his one round of argumentation to attempt to diss me.

Pro has no intrest in debating this with me, and all 7 points should be forfeited.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by zommunist 2 years ago
zommunist
National socialism is not the same as fascism
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Oh $hit, I accidentally posted 0_0
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Adam2, you're not racist, but your name says volks union? That means in German, a union of folks, but was distorted to mean the word aryan white.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Dude, I'm sorry, but this guy is your carbon copy.
Posted by Adam2 2 years ago
Adam2
First of all, Chosenwolff, the only way he could be me is if the account is on the same root number. And it ain't. My root number has never had that account, so [bleep] off!
Posted by numberwang 2 years ago
numberwang
Oh good, this site needs more nazis!
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
To make this fair on my opponent, I will change my profile to become racist, starting now
Posted by Adam2 2 years ago
Adam2
Ain't happening.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Adam2 has yet to come forward or be banned.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Time to crush some racist scumbags.
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Vote Placed by Ragnar 2 years ago
Ragnar
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Reasons for voting decision: CONDUCT: Con cheated, and pro forfeited, this balances. ARGUMENT: "There is a very important thing we need to consider" was con's entire case, until after pro could no longer respond. While pro did not rise above assertions, he at least tried to present reasoning. DELAYING ALL ARGUMENTS UNTIL THE FINAL ROUND, DOES NOT EQUAL A FREE WIN.
Vote Placed by Themba 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF.
Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture.