Native Americans should not still recieve benefits such as scholarships (off reserveration)
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It seems your entire argument is that Native American people are so privileged against all other races, at least where college (and taxes?) are concerned. This isn't true. There are scholarships for at least two other minorities, African Americans and Hispanic people. There exists many scholarship opportunities for many underrepresented groups, including, interestingly enough, Canadians .
"Is that really the message that we want to pass down through the generations. That there still isn't racial equality." Unfortunately, there isn't racial equality. There wasn't racial equality during the civil rights movement, yet those marching didn't seem too worried about portraying the truth to the following generations. You see, we are acknowledging a problem, an actual legitimate problem and making strides to fix these problems.
"In 2012, the median income of AI/AN (alone) households was $35,310, compared to $51,371 for the entire nation."
"In 2012, 29.1% of AI/ANs (alone) lived in poverty - the highest rate of any race group - compared to 15.9% for the entire nation." [2 will be the source for both of these tidbits.]
"I'm talking about urban Native Americans who have grown up away from their tribal lands and who have become fully accustomed to white society." I think the very fact you called it white society, (whatever happened to not promoting racial difference?) is exactly the reason why there are scholarships set up for minorities.
"But I do not support the government funding those who are fully independent but have Native blood, along with tax exemption..." Yeah, could you give some examples were Native Indians/Alaska Natives are given tax exemptions off of reservations? Federally recognized tribes are given some of these opportunities is because of treaties between the U.S. and the individual tribes (as taxes vary between the different reservations).
"All Indians are subject to federal income taxes. As sovereign entities, tribal governments have the power to levy taxes on reservation lands. Some tribes do and some don't. As a result, Indians and non-Indians may or may not pay sales taxes on goods and services purchased on the reservation depending on the tribe. However, whenever a member of an Indian tribe conducts business off the reservation, that person, like everyone else, pays both state and local taxes. State income taxes are not paid on reservation or trust lands. "
As you say there are scholarships for other minorities but the difference is in numbers. Native Americans only make up .9% of the Population of the United states acording to the 2010 census. Acording to the same census ther are only 263,805 students between the ages of 15 and 19. Between the ages of 20-24 there are only 240,716 together the population of Native Americans between the ages of 15 and 24 is a combined 504,000 Native Americans compared to the 6,559,448 Black, 29,156,585. The competition is extremely low for these Natives. They are practicily giving away these scholarships. Upon further research I found that there is oportunity for them to gain scolarships even with a minimum GPA of 2.00 Which is extremely low compared to the numbers required for White or African American students wishing to gain a scolarship. An average student Native American students has more opportunity than a great student who is White (or any other race).
The little competition and the extreme levels of funds makes it especially easy for a Native to chase their dreams and follow almost every proffesion you could think of. This is not true for others, funds are limited and competition is high. In my opinion that is not fair! Why is it in their ability to not do well at the highschool level but be accepted into universities that a similar student of white descent would never dream of getting into. Not all White Americans have money flowing out of their pockets.
As to your statement about racial equality whattttt. Your claim "unfortuantly, there isn't racial equality" proves my point exactely. Students are not at an equal level is some are accepted to universities and have access to large amount of funds just because of who tehy descended to. That is not the message that we want passing down. Even in public schools they try to teach that everyone is equal but I guess in reality that is not so.
In my last statement I said white society. When I said white society I didn't necessarily mean white society. I meant American society. i've recently read a book called Native American testimony, in that book they outline events that have happened to Natives from pre colonial times to modern day. The book is written by a Native American from a Native American point of view. In the book the author reffered to the colonial society as white society. I guess that term doesn't necessarily apply here, but you get the Idea.
My main point of all this being native Americans have opportunities available to them that go unchllentged by other races. In the end if a White student and a Native American student both apply to a university. The white student has a little higher than average grade while the Native american has a little less than average grade guess whose being accepted and going to college for virtually no money!!! The Native American! In the end it's not fair and it doesn't promote those who deserve it (not saying all of them don't, but sometimes it's ridiculous.)
Native Americans only make up .9% of the Population of the United states according to the 2010 census. Okay, well the 2012 census puts them at 2%, so I am going to call into question your sources. Perhaps there was a massive influx in population that drove it up 1.1%. Seeing as they are only likely to increase .7% by the year 2060, I highly doubt this. .
You then list an unnamed scholarship. I am not saying that this scholarship does not exist, but for us to examine the fairness of such a scholarship both parties must know all the circumstances around this. However, I understand the overall sentiment, that Native Americans have such great opportunities for scholarships. I assume God revealed this knowledge to you, but decided to be vague because I see know statistics. Not even a statement from an actual authority. I, on the other hand, do have such a statement from an authority. To quote--
"America Indians face a unique set of challenges in gaining access to a college education and are one of the most underrepresented groups both in college and in the degree-holding population. With extreme poverty and limited access to educational resources remaining persistent problems on reservations and educated professionals also in short supply in many communities, education is a pressing concern for the American Indian community. Despite a strong desire to earn a degree, many American Indian students find themselves in a position where they cannot easily pay for school, even with the help of federal student financial aid. Luckily, American Indian scholarship opportunities exist for those students who are dedicated to beating the odds and earning a degree."
Now if they really had so many opportunities, we'd probably see this manifest somewhere. I'm waiting for something concrete.
My statement about racial inequality was not an admission that I was wrong. I am saying there is racial inequality, and these scholarships exist to fix this. I thought that was clear, but my bad. The reason more scholarship opportunities MAY exist (you haven't done much to show this) is due not to from whom they are descended, but due to the situation many NI/AN find themselves in.
I understood you equated white society with American society. If you don't grasp just the cultural difference between Colonial America from modern America, then I think you should take the two days you get to post an argument and do some research. Let me save you that time and explain, colonial America is a white dominated society with little diversity and modern America is still a mainly white dominated society but with much, much greater diversity.
Just give me a bone, or anything, just a tiny source to confirm what you are saying! Please?
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