The Instigator
Rockylightning
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Losing
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CrysisPillar
Con (against)
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New Yorkers PWN

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CrysisPillar
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/4/2010 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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Rockylightning

Pro

PWN: Are better than others
New Yorkers: Living in the New York state, not just the city

Resolved that New Yorkers PWN
CrysisPillar

Con

This is why New Yorkers do not "PWN":
By the definition of the Pro side, PWN means "to be better than others." Better than others at what? In what?
Our nation is based on ideas, not on ethnicity. The big Civil War between the North and the South over slavery was about ideas and caused anarchy to the nation. Debating this topic shows that the Pro side agrees that New Yorkers are far "better" than all other American Citizens.

I will not say that New Yorkers are worse than others, rather equal.

What does New York have that is any better that any other state? No state is "perfect." New York gets the ocean, and California gets the sun. Illinois gets Chicago and New York gets New York City. There is no way to measure whether or not a state is superior to another state. This topic is completely broad.

New York was where the 9-11 terrorist attacks happened. A terrortist attack could happen anywhere else in the world.

San Francisco is a center of commerce, and NYC is a center of commerce.

Alaska has a national forest and New York State has monuments.

How do you measure the greatness of a citizen through where they live?

There is no way to prove that the people of one state is superior over another, and therefore the Con side clearly wins this debate out of logic.
Debate Round No. 1
Rockylightning

Pro

To refute my opponent's points:

1) "No state is "perfect."" I agree, but some are better than others
2)"New York was where the 9-11 terrorist attacks happened. A terrortist attack could happen anywhere else in the world." Yes the terrorists attacked New York BECAUSE the icon of america, New Yorkers had to endure this terrible tradegy first hand, they made it through, Mayor Juliani said on the day when asked how may dead he said "More than we can endure"
3) "San Francisco is a center of commerce, and NYC is a center of commerce" New York is more of a center of commerce than SF, even since the collapse of the world trade center NY has had more Economic Input.

Now onto my points:

1. New Yorkers are taking advantage of public transit.
New York and NYC are the only areas in the US where public transit is the main source of transportation. There are buses, subways, metro north railroad, and taxis. Not only does this help the City Economy, this helps the environment.
2. New Yorkers DEFINE city life
Have you ever seen a city in the world that is not modeled off NY? SF-yes, LA-yes, Tokyo-Yes, Paris-Somewhat, London-Somewhat, Beijing-Yes, Seattle-Yes, Portland-Somewhat.

I will bring up more points in my second constructive speech.
CrysisPillar

Con

To refute my opponent's refutations:

1) "'No state is "perfect.' I agree, but some are better than others," he has stated.

We're not debating over states, we're debating over the people! Plus, the Pro side has not yet answered my question: How can you determine which state has the "better" people? The definition of "better" is VERY broad, and there are so many ways you can measure it; just not as a whole with the word "pwn."

2) "Yes the terrorists attacked New York BECAUSE the icon of america, New Yorkers had to endure this terrible tradegy first hand, they made it through, Mayor Juliani said on the day when asked how may dead he said 'More than we can endure'"

Since when did having a terrorists attack your state make you any more superior? The people of New York weren't the only people who endured the tradgety first-hand; my mother knew someone who was in one of those hijacked planes which crashed. A few family friends which I knew also perished. I don't live in New York; I live all the way across the country in California.

3) "New York is more of a center of commerce than SF, even since the collapse of the world trade center NY has had more Economic Input."

Source? Reasoning? Evidence? the Pro side has stated in his definition of terms that we were debating New York as the state, not just the city. So, what happened to all those other cities besides NYC?
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To refute my opponent's main points:
1) "New Yorkers are taking advantage of public transit."

What does this exactly have to do with New Yorkers being better? I thought we were debating New YorkERS, not New York. Other states take advantage of public transit. There are railroads. Subways. Ferries. Trolleys and buses. Taxis. So, taking public transit makes you better? Sitting in traffic every day during rush hour in huge, gas-guzzling buses helps the environment?

2) "New Yorkers DEFINE city life"

Just because there are many major cities around the globe does not mean that they are all modeled off of New York City! And I would like to remind you, we wre debating about the people, not about the cities! And we are debating about the people in the states, not commercialization of the cities!
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Now onto my own points:

1) New Yorkers aren't any different than the common person; in fact, they ARE common people.
New Yorkers go to work. Eat at home or in restaurants. Shop. Sleep. Use the restroom. Etc. What's the difference? For example, on a college sports team, people root for the winning team. Well, in this case, how can you root for New Yorkers? You can sure be proud to be a New Yorker, but you really don't have an advantage over anyone else. There are still people who live on the streets. There are still people without jobs, i.e. my aunt.

2) New Yorkers do NOT define city live
For the 100th time, we are debating all of the state, not the main huge city!
San Francisco/ all California residents do the same things that New York City/ New York residents do. What's the difference? New York has a huge city, but there are huge cities other places, too. What you see in Beijing is not going to be the same kind of deal you would experience in New York City or San Francisco. What you see in Bangkok isn't going to be the same cultural perspective as Sydney, Australia. New Yorkers define New Yorkers, and that's final. There is nothing that shows that ALL New Yorkers are far beyond superior to all other citizens of the globe.

I will expand later on my next constructive speech.
Debate Round No. 2
Rockylightning

Pro

1) You stated that no state is perfect so it seems that you started the argument on the states.
2) Yes, people across the country felt for the people who died, I totally agree, me being native of New York, looked at videos of 911, people jumping out of the tower, fire fighters that I HAD MET had gone into that building right when it collapsed. I had met those people, now their all dead. That's why New Yorkers pwn, they run into a flaming building to save people they don't know, on the same day the infamous act against humanity was executed, such selfless acts like the ones of the firefighters going into that building to save others and die is why New Yorkers PWN, no other City in the US has gone through such an event.
3) The economy of New York City is the largest regional economy in the United States and the second largest city economy in the world after Tokyo. Along with London, New York City is the leading financial center of the world and a premier headquarters location for leading global financial services companies. New York is distinctive for its high concentrations of advanced service sector firms in fields such as law, accountancy, banking and management consultancy. (Sources at the end)
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1) It does have to do with New Yorkers because they choose to take public transit, which would be better, a few buses stuck in traffic? or a couple hundred cars stuck in traffic?
2) Ok fine, we Are debating the people, but it is true that most cities are modeled off NY, that's common knowledge, tokyo subway and bridge builders come to NY to learn! I've seen it first hand.
------------To refute my opponent's points
1) "They ARE common people" yes, that is my point, they DEFINE THE COMMON PERSON! that's why they PWN!!!
2) all California residents do the same things that New York City/ New York residents do. What's the difference? New York has a huge city, but there are huge cities other places" As I have said before, New Yorkers define city life, ostly every city in one way or another tries to copy New York life! Look at Boston, Trenon, Portland, San Francisco! All are almost carbon copies of NY (besides from architecture)
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http://www.itweek.co.uk...=
http://www.nytimes.com...
http://www.nysun.com...
http://www.mercer.com...
CrysisPillar

Con

Refutations to my opponent's refutations. (That sounded awkward.)

1) "You stated that no state is perfect so it seems that you started the arguement on the states."
Pro's RESOLUTION started the arguement on the states, but Rockylightning, you started debating on a resolution that had little or nothing to do with your proposal.
2) Being a native of this little town all of my life, I have watched videos of 9-11 and cried, people jumping out of the tower and making calls rofl help that were too late, and I had met people who died, too. But this is not relavent for the debate.
Keep in mind that I feel for you. Sorry for your loss.
Sure, New York City firefighters pwn; but saving people from a burning bulding isn't quite the "Perfect representation of city life"...
There have been cities that have gone through such events. In the great quake in the early 1900's in San Francisco, firefighters helped fight the sparks started by the tremor. I think we can both agree that the United States is a great country alone; we send donations of supplies, donors from ALL STATES, to help those in Chile or Haiti or China wherever we can help.
3) New York has an incredible economy; I will not argue with that. However, may I remind you that we are debating that New Yorkers pwn, not New York? As a tip, following your own proposed resolution will make you more likely too win....
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1) If you take public transit to work, and you get stuck in some unexpected traffic, you'll be late. Maybe you'll get fired. People still use cars just because it is more convenient than having to stop off first to let other people off before you get off of the bus or whatever form of public transit you are taking. Considering that New York is well known as the city of traffic, sitting in a gas-guzzling bus with maybe, let's say, 5 people, would pollute the air more than 5 faster-moving cars which can weave in and out of traffic more easily.
2) You could say that a person in Chicago or Tokyo or Baltimore defines the common person, too. But what is the definition of the "common person"?
3) You have no proof that cities copied New York City. As I have stated before, there are cultural, economical, and religious differences worldwide. You can't just say that every single big city in the world is like New York. New York City is a successful city, but cities try to copy the success, not neccessarily the daily life of the citizens.
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http://www.sfgate.com... (San Francisco Chronicle's official site)
http://www.latimes.com... (The Los Angeles Times official site)
http://www.washingtonpost.com... (The Washington Post official site)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
There is a "New York City culture," so there is something at the heart of this debate. That culture values competence and hanging tough. No city could have handled 9/11 as well as New York. They are rude, which is bad, but also direct, which is good. I got off a plane from Tokyo, the most polite city in the world, and first words spoken to me by a shopkeeper in New York were, "Whadda ya want, bud?" Some of the NYC attitude rubs off on the rest of the State, but upstate is very much a toned down version.

Con's point is valid: comparison require criteria. Pro might have picked some specific standards to debate, but left it open. California has far better weather; Nebraska the lowest unemployment; Tokyo the best transit system and the least crime; Sydney is sometimes called "everybody's favorite city" for it's combination of features.

I've lived for many years in both New York and California, and for a short time in Tokyo. Tokyo is my favorite large city: clean, safe, polite, civilized. California wins for climate and scenery. New York wins for spirit.
Posted by popculturepooka 7 years ago
popculturepooka
Hey, hax, weren't you constantly complaining about vote-bombing on all your other debates? lol
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
uh huh...
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
Me = born and raised New Yorker. But Con wins arguments.
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
and the minuscule amount of trees in CA drives me nuts! there's like one per every 700 feet! Talk about the environment.
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
oh the irony is that traffic may be bad, but at least we try to attempt public transit, unlike SF which has the worst bus system i've ever seen! don't even get me started on B-A-R-T
Posted by popculturepooka 7 years ago
popculturepooka
You aren't seriously talking about congested while being from New York, right? LOL Do you know what irony is?
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
aren't you in japan? sez ur proflile, y u have an opinion?
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
new yorkers pwn, bottom line
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
yeah, like the congested streets of LA, or the "pollution days in LA" or the suburban sprawls in the middle of nowhere, yeah, if that's your good version of better then yes CA>NY
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