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# Nihilism

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That1User
 Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point Started: 12/4/2014 Category: Philosophy Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period Viewed: 1,404 times Debate No: 66376
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Posted by Beginner 2 years ago
Tschh.. Envisage. I disagree with your vote.
Posted by That1User 2 years ago
Thanks Envisage!
Posted by Beginner 3 years ago
If you plan to vote, do not read this:
And how did you reach the conclusion that 2+2=4? Did you figure that out using logic? Did you see a cluster of objects and put a number on these multiple clusters (one piece of lego and another piece of lego together look like 2 pieces of legos)? Logic is a subset of rationalism. Logic is assumed to be sound based on rationalistic evidence. The latter method is an example of empiricism, which is sound only based on the assumed correctness of empiricism (with a touch of rationalism).
Since rationalism and empiricism only hold true under subjective confines (remember, these are epistemological systems of beliefs), then all conclusions rationally and/or empirically drawn are necessarily also subjective.
We have not proven beyond a doubt that rationalistic thinking (i.e. logic) is a necessary or objectively true standard.
Thus the conclusion stands under your critique.
Short answer: Yes, 2+2=4, but only so according to the system of logic (mathematics) which we've contrived. In a possible alternate universe, 2+2 could equal 5. Who knows? The system of logic that we, as humans, have developed, is only perfect to humans. There are an infinite variety of possibilities that we can't even fathom.
Posted by That1User 3 years ago
And 2=2=4 is not 100% correct?
Posted by Beginner 3 years ago
I should've made the voting period shorter so that I could freely discuss my thoughts about your response sooner so as not to cloud voter judgment but.. heh, messed up.
Anywho, if you are a voter who plans to vote, do not read the below:
I see what you are saying, but while math and science is one human factions' trying to be as objective as possible, trying to be objective is not the same as being objective.
A belief system is necessarily subjective and since math and science are hinged on some epistemological belief, it is necessarily subjective.
And thus, while Nihilism is objectively true for all intents and purposes except in its self declaration (which is true for all components of everything except for itself: 99.999999999% correct), other systems are proven to be subjective and cannot even claim such a close ratio of correctness as Nihilism does. Thus, Nihilism still seems superior to me. Sadly. :But I am taking comfort in that Nihilism contradicts itself, even if I have to argue that it has the lowest error rate of any ideological system I can think of. The only system better than Nihilism would be one which is 100% correct
Posted by Beginner 3 years ago
I should've made the voting period shorter so that I could freely discuss my thoughts about your response sooner so as not to cloud voter judgment but.. heh, messed up.
Anywho, if you are a voter who plans to vote, do not read the below:
I see what you are saying, but while math and science is one human factions' trying to be as objective as possible, trying to be objective is not the same as being objective.
A belief system is necessarily subjective and since math and science are hinged on some epistemological belief, it is necessarily subjective.
And thus, while Nihilism is objectively true for all intents and purposes except in its self declaration (which is true for all components of everything except for itself: 99.999999999% correct), other systems are proven to be subjective and cannot even claim such a close ratio of correctness as Nihilism does. Thus, Nihilism still seems superior to me. Sadly. :But I am taking comfort in that Nihilism contradicts itself, even if I have to argue that it has the lowest error rate of any ideological system I can think of. The only system better than Nihilism would be one which is 100% correct
Posted by That1User 3 years ago
I posted with 10 seconds left on the clock, what a relief. Good luck, Begginner.
Posted by That1User 3 years ago
Wow, I was too late, I litterally posted my argument when it hit the 0 mark.
Posted by Beginner 3 years ago
Oops, that's a redundant link. It should be:
http://www.debate.org...
Posted by Beginner 3 years ago
My round 1 link should be:
http://www.debate.org...
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