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Jesso5288
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Csavage472
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No Child Left Behind

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Started: 12/18/2007 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Jesso5288

Pro

National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)test scores released in 2005 show improvement of students. The tests showed that more progress was made by 9 year olds in the last five years than in the last 28 years combined. Reading scores for African American and Hispanic 9 year olds reached an all-time high. America's 13 year olds earned the highest recorded test scores ever.

But besides just improving scores on tests, the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) also allocates more attention to minority populations in our schools. NCLB seeks to narrow the racial and social gaps that exist in our schools to create common expectations. Schools are required to focus attention on traditionally under-served groups of children. For example, children from low-income families, students with disabilities, African Americans, and Latinos.

Also, NCLB increases the quality of education by decreasing the quantity. Schools are required to implement "scientifically based research" practices in classrooms.

Info from http://en.wikipedia.org...
Csavage472

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Hi Jessica,

Thanks for accepting my challenge, and I apologize for the long delay. First and foremost, I just want to commend you as a DEMOCRATIC supporter of Barak Obama of supporting Pres. Bush's signature "No Child Left Behind Act"(haha)!!!

Also, I would like to commend your opening arguments for they are very well articulated. The irony is that I AGREE with you, but I'll just "play the Devil's Advocate" for now(haha).

(1) (a) While the NCLB Law is commendable for raising educational standards amongst inner-city children, there is one FUNDAMENTAL FLAW in the law. That is that it basically PENALYZES the "failing schools" which are predominantly in inner-city communities while rewarding the SUBURBAN schools that achieve better test scores and standards.

(b) Now, while many on the Left--specifically Barak Obama (haha)--have criticized Bush's landmark education reform bill as "racist" b/c it is taking money AWAY from Black/Hispanic schools that fail and REWARD the predominantly White schools that pass, I "beg to differ" with this assumption. The reason is that under the provisions of the NCLB Act, the Black/Hispanic students trapped in these FAILING schools get a RIGHT to transfer to the better-performing schools.

(c) This is actually GOOD b/c it encourages COMPETITION and public school choice which improves the overall lot and quality of the educational system.

(2) (a) However, their is a fundamental problem with THIS solution: namely, b/c it is basically encouraging INTEGRATION. Now, don't me get wrong. I for one STRONGLY agree that it is socially productive for Blacks and Whites to integrate, but the fact of the matter is that MILLIONS of Whites in the suburban communities do NOT like this. I don't mean to point at the "Big Elephant in the room" but racism is STILL alive and well in America just as it was in 1960. The only difference today is that it is much more SUBTLE. Nevertheless, this does NOT mean that we as a country have not achieved such momentious progress as the very fact that Barak Obama is running for President (haha).

(b) As an UNFORTUNATE result, these Suburban White communities are just NOT going to appreciate the fact that all of these "truckload" of Blacks and Hispanics are "bombarding" their schools, and they will just simply find "loopholes" to make the children's stay unpleasant and/or ulterior ways to expel them.

(c) Case in point: the problem that we have learned as evident of the recent "Jena 6" debacle is the fact that it will only be COUNTER-productive if society and/or government tries to FORCE people to integrate. On the contrary, it must happen NATURALLY through persuasion.

cf. http://www.storyarts.org...

(3) Therefore, I found an organization on the internet that actually encompasses REVOLUTIONARY reform of the public education system in the country that we might find it productive to discuss.

cf. http://www.nycfamilies.org...

Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
Debate Round No. 1
Jesso5288

Pro

Jesso5288 forfeited this round.
Csavage472

Con

Since the Jessica forfeited the previous round, I'll do likewise out of fairness (haha); nevertheless, I just wanted to briefly OUTLINE the educational reform plan that was on the http://www.nycfamilies.org... website that I cited abovehand:

<<<"(1) First and foremost, our organization proposes that the Mayor (and City Council), since he has control over the schools, transfer direct ownership of the 1,500 public schools (the land, property, and resources) to the United Federation of Teachers' Union (UFT)—whose board members are elected by the teachers—Free of charge so that the teachers can have private Ownership and Control of the school system.

"Naturally, of course, once the public school teachers, indeed, own the school system as their own private business, they can then build investment capital by breaking up these—as we like to call them—"Union School(s)" into a billion or so shares on the Stock Market, keep about 75% of the shares to maintain control, and then sell the remaining 25% to investors at a designated price—(i.e. $10 per share, etc.).

"Once the capital is used to renovate the schools at the teachers' sole discretion, the UFT charges tuition for students to enroll. In this case, public school teachers would No Longer be working for a miniscule wage and have to engage in time-consuming contract negotiations with the city for a "just wage," but would rather be working for a profit dividend of $100,000 or more.

"(2) Second, we propose that the City of New York grant an Educational Pell Grant (in the same way the Federal Government gives financial-aid grants to students to attend college) of approximately $5,000 a year to Every Single Resident--[who has an income of below $100,000 per year]--in the city to attend a private school of his or her choice---[NOTE: $5,000 is the average price of private school tuition, but if the price goes up, the government would raise the grants proportionally equal to the price of tuition].

"(3) Third, once the City implements those critical education reforms that would revitalize the NYC public school system, the City will have "killed two birds with one stone," so to speak, because the educational quality of the school system would have been corrected while saving the working and middle-class taxpayers half (50%) of the education budget.

Therefore, our organization, which represents Parents & Teachers, strongly encourages and recommends the City to return any savings back to working families via tax cuts, or to pay down the city's outstanding deficits, which will impact future generations to come.">>>

Thanks again and Merry Christmas.
Debate Round No. 2
Jesso5288

Pro

Jesso5288 forfeited this round.
Csavage472

Con

Since the Jessica forfeited the previous round, I'll do likewise out of fairness (haha); nevertheless, I just wanted to briefly OUTLINE the educational reform plan that was on the http://www.nycfamilies.org...... website that I cited abovehand:

<<<"(1) First and foremost, our organization proposes that the Mayor (and City Council), since he has control over the schools, transfer direct ownership of the 1,500 public schools (the land, property, and resources) to the United Federation of Teachers' Union (UFT)—whose board members are elected by the teachers—Free of charge so that the teachers can have private Ownership and Control of the school system.

"Naturally, of course, once the public school teachers, indeed, own the school system as their own private business, they can then build investment capital by breaking up these—as we like to call them—"Union School(s)" into a billion or so shares on the Stock Market, keep about 75% of the shares to maintain control, and then sell the remaining 25% to investors at a designated price—(i.e. $10 per share, etc.).

"Once the capital is used to renovate the schools at the teachers' sole discretion, the UFT charges tuition for students to enroll. In this case, public school teachers would No Longer be working for a miniscule wage and have to engage in time-consuming contract negotiations with the city for a "just wage," but would rather be working for a profit dividend of $100,000 or more.

"(2) Second, we propose that the City of New York grant an Educational Pell Grant (in the same way the Federal Government gives financial-aid grants to students to attend college) of approximately $5,000 a year to Every Single Resident--[who has an income of below $100,000 per year]--in the city to attend a private school of his or her choice---[NOTE: $5,000 is the average price of private school tuition, but if the price goes up, the government would raise the grants proportionally equal to the price of tuition].

"(3) Third, once the City implements those critical education reforms that would revitalize the NYC public school system, the City will have "killed two birds with one stone," so to speak, because the educational quality of the school system would have been corrected while saving the working and middle-class taxpayers half (50%) of the education budget.

Therefore, our organization, which represents Parents & Teachers, strongly encourages and recommends the City to return any savings back to working families via tax cuts, or to pay down the city's outstanding deficits, which will impact future generations to come.">>>

Thanks again and Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!!!

"Let the PEOPLE Vote (haha)!!!"
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Csavage472 9 years ago
Csavage472
P.S.: silly me(haha). I forgot to post the debate.

cf. http://www.debate.org...
Posted by Csavage472 9 years ago
Csavage472
Chuckles, since you are a John McCain supporter and I a Ron Paul supporter, I thought it would only do JUSTICE to let you watch a debate where I (literally) BUTCHERED McCain's "right to work [for LESS]" position (haha)!!!

Thanks and take care, man.
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
wow jesso5288 i disagree with exactly 50% of your opinions!
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