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traylzac
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No contradictions in the holy book of Muslim, Al Qur'an.

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Started: 10/24/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DIKFans

Pro

Disprove me if any contradictions in my holy book
traylzac

Con

In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created from nothing, but this can't be possible becuase in 15:26, the Quran says that man is created from clay. I would like you to state how nothing and clay is the same. From my knowledge clay is made from fine grained natural rock.

Next, the Quran says that Let there be no compulsion in religion in 2:256, yet says you should fight those who believe no in Allah in 9:29. How can Allah say not to force a religion yet also say kill those that dont believe.

Third, 39:12 says Muhmammad is the first Muslim. Then in 7:143 tells the people that Moses is. He then follows that Abraham is. How can three people be the first if they lived 2500+ years apart.
Debate Round No. 1
DIKFans

Pro

It's very easy to answer. No contradiction at all :

1. Human being never exist (nothing) untill they created. The first man Adam was created from clay. Or you can put it in your mind that clay is not nothing for you. In my opinion, yes, is nothing. We never exist before. Then we created using a clay, our father.

2. In surah 9:29, it was not a compulsion to other, we were at war. Why? Because we have been fight by them. And we must defend our existence by killing them anywhere at that war time, in a field war.
You see we muslim never do that in a piece time.

3. Muslim is a person who submit to the will of God. Coincidently, they are prophets choosen by God. They are a prophet at their time. That's why they are called a first muslim.
traylzac

Con

Since there is only 3 rounds I will bring up more contradictions and let him disprove them and I will let the audience decide which is correct.
Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days. How is 8 and 6 equal?

Another contradiction is where evil comes from. Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]? You could say it comes from all of them but it never says that.

Next, the Quran has contradictions with angles are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10]. How are angels not protectors and also protectors?

Also, angels have another contradiction. No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34]. Does this mean Ibis is not an angel even though the context states he his?

Next, us the Noah contradiction. According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns. You could say that he didn't mean all of them and that he didn't specifically say all of them. This is disproven because he didn't say not everyone and why w p up Allah leave it as is knowing that people like me would prove that it doesn't work out.

Finally, will Christians go to heaven in your religion if it is true? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses
later) and 3:85 say "No".
Debate Round No. 2
DIKFans

Pro

Since there is only 3 rounds I will bring up more contradictions and let him disprove them and I will let the audience decide which is correct.

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Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days. How is 8 and 6 equal?

Answer :
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In 41:9 God created earth in two days.
In 41:12 God created heavens in two days.
But in 41:10, creating, managing earth took 4 days. Like managing foods for creature live in it.

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Another contradiction is where evil comes from. Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]? You could say it comes from all of them but it never says that.

Answer :
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About 38:41. It is about trouble caused by Satan. You know this clearly. The bible also confirm that Satan can give trouble to human. Troubles can also from human. Bad behaviours, etc. Trouble also from Allah to test the believers.

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Next, the Quran has contradictions with angles are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10]. How are angels not protectors and also protectors?

Answer:
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Nope. The word "We" in Surah 41:31 is not referred to angels. It's clear.

In Surah 13:11 is talking about guarding human and recording what they did. Not guarding you to protect you like a bodyguard. The same idea in Surah 50:17:18.

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Also, angels have another contradiction. No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34]. Does this mean Iblis is not an angel even though the context states he his?

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Yup. Iblis is not an angel. The context is Iblis was there among angels who bow down to Adam. Then Allah asked Iblis, why he didnot bow down to Adam created by His hands (38:75), like angels did.

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Next, us the Noah contradiction. According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns. You could say that he didn't mean all of them and that he didn't specifically say all of them. This is disproven because he didn't say not everyone and why w p up Allah leave it as is knowing that people like me would prove that it doesn't work out.

Answer :
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Yep. Only one of Noah's son drowns. The rests saved. And that drowned son was not Noah's family. God said in Surah 11:46, that unbeliever Son was not Noah's family. Noah's seed must not from unbeliever Son like that.

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Finally, will Christians go to heaven in your religion if it is true? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses
later) and 3:85 say "No".

Answer
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In Sura 2:62 (also in 5:69) is talking about Christians before prophet Muhammad came. You know they must be believe in one God. Like what jesus said in bible :

Mark 12:29 Jesus said in answer, The first is, Give ear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord;

But, in sura 5:72 is talking about Christians who reject what jesus said in Mark 12:29 and considered jesus as God.
traylzac

Con

I will end with this quote.

"Nature is what we know. We do not know the gods of religions. And nature is not kind, or merciful, or loving. If God made me the fabled God of the three qualities of which I spoke: mercy, kindness, love He also made the fish I catch and eat. And where do His mercy, kindness, and love for that fish come in? No; nature made us nature did it all not the gods of the religions."
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by amigodana 1 year ago
amigodana
This is funny!!!!
Point 1: There is a very big language barrier here!
Point 2: You two will never grasp the concept or context of the other!!!!
Posted by DIKFans 1 year ago
DIKFans
Before clay be used to created you, where were you? Nothing. No exist
Posted by A1tre 1 year ago
A1tre
soooo, clay is nothing?
Posted by A1tre 1 year ago
A1tre
soooo, clay is nothing?
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