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Kelisitaan
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EXOPrimal
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No race is smarter than any other race

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Started: 12/27/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Kelisitaan

Con

I will argue that certain races are smarter than others.

Examples of races: african american, white, asian, jewish, etc.

No new arguments in R4.
EXOPrimal

Pro

I will asssume that R1 is introduction because my opponent did not specify. I do not belive any race is inferirior to the other, but but some races are smarter on average. This infographic shows that, on average, people of asian decent are gnerally smarter. I will get into whether or not this is gentic or not after Pro posts his opening arguments.


Debate Round No. 1
Kelisitaan

Con

Err...maybe I am new and thought a pro meant that this statement was true? We are arguing the same thing....how to cancel the debate?

I stated in my topic:" I will argue that certain races are smarter than others."
EXOPrimal

Pro


There is no direct test of a person's mental ability. An IQ test will measure things such as size of vocabulary or reading comprehension. In the end though, there is no such thing as an innate mental ability. The studies of twins are flawed in a major way, the studies assume that the environment of twins is the same as the normal siblings. A study shows that the heredity of IQ varies greatly between socioeconomic class(1). This proves that IQ tests measure various combinations of native ability and opportunity. Kids living with families with high income score higher in the IQ test.


IQ tests test abstract knowledge, but throughout most of human history practical knowledge dominated. IQ cannot originate in genes. The IQ in the US is increasing by an average of 3 points a decade, much too fast to be hereditary.


I am going to argue that the level of someone’s “smartness” has nothing to do with race, just with class. People of asian descent have the highest median income, and people of african descent have the lowest(2). No race is smarter than the other, the only factor is class.


1. https://www.psychologytoday.com...


2. http://www.businessinsider.com...


Debate Round No. 2
Kelisitaan

Con

You are correct; there is no direct test of a person's mental ability. However, just because there is no direct test for it does not mean it does not exists. It certainly does exists, humans simply can't measure it with 100% accuracy. Moreover, although IQ doesn't measure intelligence, it has a strong correlation with it. It wouldn't be possible to use an IQ score to compare one person's intelligence to another person's; however, when comparing a large group of people, e.g. a race vs another race, anyone with a basic understanding will know that a test with a high correlation does accurately compare large numbers of people.

The problem is, although IQ certainly does have some component involving socioeconomics, the problem is you are ignoring the fact that being wealthy also correlates with higher intelligence as well. In other words, parents from higher socioeconomic classes are much more likely to be smarter than parents from lower classes.

However, even when you adjust for socioeconomics, blacks still come out on the bottom.http://thealternativehypothesis.org...

Again, intelligence is NOT only hereditary; it has MANY factors. However, it certainly is partially determined by genetics.

Moreover, it makes perfect sense that some races are smarter than others. After all, races evoloved in different areas. African americans evolved in africa, a hotter climate, where athletism was a favored trait. Whites evolved in europe, a colder climate, where intelligence is a favored trait. To survive in Africa, one needed speed and strength to be stronger and faster than the predators. However, in colder climates, intelligence is FAR more useful; to survive in the cold takes intelligence.

This explains why there are so many more black people in sports related careers. It's not because they got "lucky;" it's because they evolved in different environments and are therefore different than other races.
EXOPrimal

Pro

The genetic studies have been largely disproved, they are biased and make some dangerous assumptions(2). The evolution theories have also been disproved.

African Americans dominate sports in baseball and football, whereas whites dominate in soccer and baseball(1). The end of his argument is nothing more than a inherent bias, which lead to my next point.

While researching this topic I was flooded with cites like this(3). These cites show that there is an inherent bias within our society, this is probably why African American so often end up on the bottom. Most of us suffer from this, whether we know it or not.

Citations
1.http://harvardsportsanalysis.org...
2.https://africacheck.org...
3.http://religionnews.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Kelisitaan

Con

You claim these have been debunked, but these links have proved nothing of the sort. Rather, the people who wrote these articles demonstrated a clear lack of understanding on how things work. Take "https://africacheck.org...;

It claims that "intelligence is not genetic because there is no intelligence gene." As you and the author clearly do not know, although there are certain genes for some attributes, e.g. hair color, for other attributes, e.g. intelligence, there are MULTIPLE genes which influence them. http://education.seattlepi.com...

Some races are smarter than others due to a concept called evolution. It's obvious to anyone who understands evolution, but creatures are shaped greatly by their environment. Humans, of course, are no exception. Here are some links that may help you understand it further:

https://www.sciencedaily.com...
https://prezi.com...

If you would like even more sources, just do a quick google search; there are plenty because it's a rather obvious concept.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense that some races are smarter than others. Races evoloved in different areas. African americans evolved in africa, a hotter climate, where athletism was a favored trait. Asians evolved in asia, a colder and harsher climate, where intelligence is a favored trait. To survive in Africa, one needed speed and strength to be stronger and faster than the predators. However, in colder and harsher climates, intelligence is FAR more useful; to survive in the cold takes intelligence.

This explains why there are so many more black people in sports related careers. There are more whites in soccer but this is because soccer is mainly a "rich people's sport." All races are not the same, and differences in sports doesn't disprove that.
EXOPrimal

Pro

Con has sources that do not back up his claims, his first source has nothing about intelligence. Because of this he has nothing to support an "intelligence" gene. His other two sources do nothing but explain evolution, which is irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not evolution exists, but if evolution has impacted human intelligence.

Con's argument about evolution has one major flaw, India. People of Indian origin are sorted into the "Asian" ethnicity, which scores the highest. India is a hot place, with the equator going through it. Because of this the "hot" and 'cold" part of his argument fails. Also according to his argument Eskimos should be the smartest race.

Con failed to refute my point about racial bias, and therefore goes conceded. Con also failed to explain how intelligence is heritable, or if there was a gene correlating to intelligence.

For these reasons I urge you to vote pro.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by EXOPrimal 1 year ago
EXOPrimal
I'm just going to argue the other side
Posted by Xanxus 1 year ago
Xanxus
Yeah, pro messed up. I guess some Asians aren't as smart as they think they are.
Posted by ApotheosisOrangutan 1 year ago
ApotheosisOrangutan
Con I think is right. It's Pro that is for the statement that "No race is smarter than any other race," therefore they want to prove that it is true.
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