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No using the letter "e": Abortion within 20 weeks of pregnancy is morally okay.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/11/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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MTGandP

Pro

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Definitions

Abortion: The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. (Merriam-Webster)
Morality: A code of conduct put forward by a society. (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Used to determine right and wrong.
Morally okay: Permitted by morality.
Not-born baby: A human child at or before week 20 after conception, assuming a normal growth rate. (my own definition)

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Point 1: Not-born babys ain't conscious, nor do not-born babys got passion.

A child don't start conscious until around fortnight 13 [1] and don't got pain until fortnight 15 [2]. Stuff without conscious don't got right to living; unconscious stuff has no wants or passion. Stuff that gots pain may got rights, may not, but not-born babys still can't gots pain.

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Point 2: Not-born babys can't do living without mama.

Not-born babys can't do living without mama until 5 months post-start [3]. Mamas giving food and air. Not-born babys can't do living on own. Basically, not-born babys is part of mama's body. Body parts don't got rights; mama is domain of mama's body.

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Point 3: Not-born babys ain't rational.

Only rational stuff got human rights. Rational stuff got logic and can grok abstract stuff such as pain and post-living. But not-born babys don't got rationality. Not-born babys cannot grok mortality of not-born babys. Not-born babys got no rational want to do living. Not-born babys don't got right to living.

[1] http://www.religioustolerance.org...
[2] http://www.religioustolerance.org...
[3] http://www.ppacca.org...
ccstate4peat

Con

Point 1: God will f*ck you up.

Point 2: You can stick it in a glass cylindrical thing and coldify it.

Point 3: Throw it away, adoption.

Point 4: If it is born, it will gain ration and do stuff on its own, including if it is born too fast.
Debate Round No. 1
MTGandP

Pro

"Point 1: God will f*ck you up."
This point says nothing and don't got proof. It don't support Con.

"Point 2: You can stick it in a glass cylindrical thing and coldify it."
WTF?! That don't support Con!

"Point 3: Throw it away, adoption."
Throwing away is similar to abortion. This don't support Con. Adoption is an option, but don't modify fact that abortion is OKAY as I proof'd in round 1!

"Point 4: If it is born, it will gain ration and do stuff on its own, including if it is born too fast."
But not until 5 months, cuz it must got viability to do birth. 5 months ain't within 10 fortnights. Up to 10 fortnights, it don't got rationality. AND up to 5 months.
ccstate4peat

Con

This does not count as my argument part where I can't use the letter e. You cannot use proof'd. If you are going to count that as not using the letter e, then I can put an asterisk in instead of every e and will not have used the letter e. Con wins.

[Argument Part]

God says birth is a must.

Adoption is post birth.

I got nothing.
Debate Round No. 2
MTGandP

Pro

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(I used "proof'd" in the same way that one would use "punk'd".) I created a contraction which I did not think was much of a stretch. The logic used to contract "proof'd" does not apply in most cases, so it could NOT be used instead of an e in every scenario. For example, it does not work if the "e" is at the end of the word. Additionally, while I *could* use contractions more frequently and it would be valid in many cases, I only used it once.
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Con's stuff has no support. His points don't work. Affirm!
ccstate4peat

Con

Punk'd is a tv show and therefore is a proper noun and must be spelled that way. If you were to use it as a verb in that spelling, it would be incorrect. Proof'd is not a word nor is it a proper noun, you cannot use it and because you did, you lose. Thank you for a quick debate, vote con.

[Argument Part]

This was fun.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
The 300 page novel "A Void" is a translation of a French novel. Neither the original or the translation used the letter "e". Amazon gives the first page of the novel, and I think it is amazing, http://www.amazon.com...

There is another long novel, "Gadsby" written without "e"

No fair using numbers, special characters, or invented words, and grammar should count. Also, no writing in Chinese.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
You guys do amazing things with this task at hand. Good job on your posts.
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
This discussion was intriguing but both participants had poor grammar.
It is not so hard to omit that most common of symbols without compromising grammar, as this post shows.

Good fun though lol.
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
Argh! Fix:

Roy, your ability in this task is striking. Your writing's glowing constitution may do unsightly things to my standing.

It is difficult to author many paragraphs of this quality. This writing took a 10th of an hour.
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
Roy, your ability in this task is striking. Your writing's glowing constitution may do unsightly things to my standing.

It is difficult to author many paragraphs of this quality. This writing took a tenth of an hour.
Posted by Lexicaholic 7 years ago
Lexicaholic
lol. Well said, Roy. XD
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
Alas, it is a claim compliant with my most painstaking critical thinking. I could affirm but not contradict. :D
Posted by Lexicaholic 7 years ago
Lexicaholic
I would argue that the debater who better employs grammar in the debate would receive the spelling and grammar vote as a matter of course.
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