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Norbert Weiner statement on Information

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Started: 1/17/2012 Category: Science
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universeandmatter

Con

Norbert Weiner: —- ‘Information is information, neither matter nor energy. Any materialism that fails to take account of this will not survive one day'.
The dimension of intent or will, which is a property of a conscience mind, in order to have any kind of ‘Information'.
‘Information' cannot be created without intent or will.
No man can figure out ‘The Universe and Matter', on an account of The ‘Information' (Your ‘Knowledge'), is nothing but The ‘Distorted Feelings' filled by The Mind into You ‘Six Senses' during its act of perception, as willed by The Maya.
The above mention act is taking place in The ‘Form' (The Body) that is being shared by three characters, You (Man and Woman) / The ‘Illusionary Matter' (Conceived by The ‘Absolute Truth'), The ‘Six Senses' and The ‘I' an illusion (The ‘Cause').
The outcome of the above act is The ‘Effect' that is taking place all around you, the act that reflects the never ending act, for the never ending play (A game called ‘Foolery').
The Residing Truth`s, intension is to drag You (Man and Woman) to play, a game called ‘Foolery' that is taking place all around you, as He is directing The ‘Play'.
For one to participate in a game call ‘Foolery' He or She must be made a fool first and it is taking place in The ‘Form' (The Body), The ‘Cause'.
The above is The ‘Cause and Effect' that is taking place in our dimension, a statement made by Einstein.
The ‘Cause' is not within our dimension, as it is taking place in a dimensionless state [The ‘Form' (The Body)], only The ‘Effect' is within our dimension that is taking place all around you.
Since, all that surrounds you is being relayed to you by The ‘Six Senses', a character by itself, therefore, it is nothing but ‘Information', as such, it is neither a matter nor energy.
‘Information', cannot be created without an ‘Intent and Will' not ‘Intent or Will'.
MichaelTheory

Pro

As a preface to this argument, we need to specify exactly which axioms we are going to be using to maximize our clarity.

1.Information is ubiquitous and universal

There is not one contradiction to logic. Truth can be perceived as universal. There is the immediate counter argument pertaining to 'qualia', but the idea of qualia is not universal and therefore not information, but rather an experience. There is also the less obvious argument about incompleteness, our understanding will never be complete, but only because we will always lack complete information. This is not a failure of information, but rather the inherent nature of it.

Before I go into specifics I would like to make sure this is what you wish to discuss, please highlight any areas you wish to elaborate on, your initial post was ambiguous to me.
Debate Round No. 1
universeandmatter

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MichaelTheory

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Debate Round No. 2
universeandmatter

Con

The ‘Play'

The ‘Grand Play' is taking place in The ‘Universe' in the form of a dream.
The ‘Universe' is within The ‘Absolute', in His ‘Single Creation' to maintain the singularity, so as to maintain His ‘Omnipresent' status.
Being ‘Omnipresent', you can call it ‘As you like it'.
The characters for the play was conceived by The ‘Absolute Truth' and they are [You (Man and Woman), They (Living non-human) and It (Non-living)], the composite of Our ‘Illusionary World' (The Earth / The ‘Illusionary Matter').
The conceive characters (You, They and It/ The ‘Illusionary Matter') an illusion (False) without an opposite (The ‘Absolute Truth'), therefore, it is ‘True'
Therefore, all that exist in The ‘Single Creation' is The ‘Earth' [The characters conceived by The ‘Absolute Truth' (You. They and It) / The ‘Illusionary Matter'].
The rest of the characters are an illusion, along with The ‘Illusionary Universe' and its ‘Contents' (The ‘Diversion'), to induce the act of ‘Foolery', on to You (Man and Woman), to drag you into a game called ‘Foolery' that is taking place all around you and it will continue till mankind exists.
Inducing, the act of ‘Foolery' is taking place in The ‘Form' (The Body) that is being shard by three characters [You (Man and Woman) / The ‘Illusionary Matter', a single character], The ‘Six Senses' and The ‘I' are a character by themselves an illusion (The ‘Cause').
The above act that result, The ‘Effect', an act that reflects the never ending act for the never ending play, a game called ‘Foolery' that is taking place all around you and it will continue till mankind exists.
The ‘Cause and Effect' that is taking place in our dimension, a statement made by Einstein.
The ‘Cause' is taking place [The ‘Form' (The Body) in a dimensionless state, therefore, only The ‘Effect' is within our dimension.
Since, all that is around you is being relayed by The ‘Six Senses', therefore, it is nothing but ‘Information'.
The ‘Absolute Truth' has left a clue for all of us.
The Truth and its ‘Play' …… in its true form, will give you, all prove needed to justify the above mention statements.
The above mention text will be posted, as soon as I place the answer to the statements made by leading Physicists.
Please, go through the answers given by me to NASA`S report on universe and matter (Dark Matter and Dark Energy).
MichaelTheory

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
universeandmatter

Con

The ‘Universe’ is nothing but a dream world that is taking place within The ‘Absolute Truth’.

All within His ‘Single Creation’, to maintain the singularity and to up hold His ‘Omnipresent’ status.

Being ‘Omnipresent’ you can call it ‘As you like it’.

MichaelTheory

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
universeandmatter

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MichaelTheory

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by universeandmatter 5 years ago
universeandmatter
@ Fluer

Your claim is
‘Information', cannot be created without an ‘Intent and Will' not ‘Intent or Will'.
The rest of your post seems pretty much meaningless to me.

Other than saying information is information and neither matter or energy we have the following:

No man can figure out ‘The Universe and Matter', on an account of The ‘Information' (Your ‘Knowledge'), is nothing but The ‘Distorted Feelings' filled by The Mind into You ‘Six Senses' during its act of perception, as willed by The Maya.
Information is my knowledge and is also nothing but The ‘Distorted Feelings' filled by The Mind into You ‘Six Senses' during its act of perception, as willed by The Maya.

Now The Mind is all in caps so I assume it is not just my mind, but you never refer to it again or define it, so it is impossible to know.

You do seem to indicate that this 'The Mind' fills my 'Six Senses' when I perceive as willed by the Maya. It seems you believe my senses do not perceive the world but are imparted upon me by an entity.

It would seem to me you are not using the normal definition of information. Please define what you mean in clear terms.
Are you using the standard definition of will and intent? if not please define them.
What is 'The Mind'?
What are the 'Six Senses'?
What is The Maya?
Posted by universeandmatter 5 years ago
universeandmatter
The Truth and its ‘Play' …… in its true form, will give you, all prove needed to justify the above mention statements.
The above mention text will be posted, as soon as I place the answer to the statements made by leading Physicists.
Please, go through the answers given by me to NASA`S report on universe and matter (Dark Matter and Dark Energy).
Posted by universeandmatter 5 years ago
universeandmatter
The ‘Play'.
The ‘Grand Play' is taking place in The ‘Universe' in the form of a dream.
The ‘Universe' is within The ‘Absolute', in His ‘Single Creation' to maintain the singularity, so as to maintain His ‘Omnipresent' status.
Being ‘Omnipresent', you can call it ‘As you like it'.
The characters for the play was conceived by The ‘Absolute Truth' and they are [You (Man and Woman), They (Living non-human) and It (Non-living)], the composite of Our ‘Illusionary World' (The Earth / The ‘Illusionary Matter').
The conceive characters (You, They and It/ The ‘Illusionary Matter') an illusion (False) without an opposite (The ‘Absolute Truth'), therefore, it is ‘True'
Therefore, all that exist in The ‘Single Creation' is The ‘Earth' [The characters conceived by The ‘Absolute Truth' (You. They and It) / The ‘Illusionary Matter'].
The rest of the characters are an illusion, along with The ‘Illusionary Universe' and its ‘Contents' (The ‘Diversion'), to induce the act of ‘Foolery', on to You (Man and Woman), to drag you into a game called ‘Foolery' that is taking place all around you and it will continue till mankind exists.
Inducing, the act of ‘Foolery' is taking place in The ‘Form' (The Body) that is being shard by three characters [You (Man and Woman) / The ‘Illusionary Matter', a single character], The ‘Six Senses' and The ‘I' are a character by themselves an illusion (The ‘Cause').
The above act that result, The ‘Effect', an act that reflects the never ending act for the never ending play, a game called ‘Foolery' that is taking place all around you and it will continue till mankind exists.
The ‘Cause and Effect' that is taking place in our dimension, a statement made by Einstein.
The ‘Cause' is taking place [The ‘Form' (The Body) in a dimensionless state, therefore, only The ‘Effect' is within our dimension.
Since, all that is around you is being relayed by The ‘Six Senses', therefore, it is nothing but ‘Information'.
The ‘Absolute Truth' has left a clue for a
Posted by bbowhan 5 years ago
bbowhan
@universeandmatter -

I am so NOT going to your self referencing website. This is a debate forum, I shouldn't be pointed to other places to get your arguments. The lengthy 'explanatory' comment (below) looks like a drum circle after the first hour or so when the LSD has just kicked in.

Also, we have five senses, not six.
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
It gets less comprehensible as it is explained. Fageddaboutit.
Posted by wiploc 5 years ago
wiploc
: Sorry. This uninteresting nonsense.

Which may be universeandmatter's point.
Posted by Neonix 5 years ago
Neonix
Sorry. This uninteresting nonsense.
Posted by universeandmatter 5 years ago
universeandmatter
@ all

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Posted by universeandmatter 5 years ago
universeandmatter
@ Roylatham

‘The ‘Great Play' that is taking place right now and will continue till man kind exists'.
The ‘Absolute Truth' conceived the three different forms of characters [You (Man and Woman), They (Living non-human) and It (Non-living), the composite of Our ‘Illusionary World' (The Earth / The ‘Illusionary Matter') for His play.
The play is taking place within Him, in His ‘Single Creation' to maintain The ‘Singularity', so that He can maintain His ‘Omnipresent' status.
The ‘Information' that I am putting across is not related to ‘Information' gathered from observation, experiments, theories and through mathematics.
There is a ‘Cause and Effect' that is taking place within our dimension, a statement made by Einstein.
The ‘Cause' is taking place within The ‘Form' (The Body) that is being shared by three characters [You (Man and Woman) / The ‘Illusionary Matter', The ‘Six Senses' and The ‘I' an illusion which are two different characters.
The ‘I' a character by itself, that provides The ‘Illusionary Energy' to Your ‘Six Senses' to take up the act of perception, for the play to begin.
What Your ‘Six Senses' perceives is nothing but The ‘Distorted Feelings' filled by The Mind, as willed by The Maya, her desired condition.
You (Man and Woman) do not have any form of sense or senses, to perceive.
Therefore, all that that surrounds you is relayed to you by The ‘Six Senses' a character by itself.
The ‘Information' which I am trying to put across is clearly mentioned in the text (The Truth and its ‘Play' …… in its true form.
The ‘Cause' is taking place in The ‘Form' (The Body) which is in a dimensionless state; therefore, it is not within our dimension.
Your ‘Six Senses' is responsible for The ‘Cause', as it is projecting The ‘Distorted Feelings' filled by The Mind as willed by The Maya, to induce the act of ‘Foolery' within The ‘Form' (The Body).
This results The ‘Effect', an act that reflects the never ending act for the never ending play that is ta
Posted by smileydodge 5 years ago
smileydodge
I'm confused...........
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