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North Korea poses a more significant threat to US nat. security than Iran.

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Started: 3/23/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Terminal

Con

Hey everyone.
This is the March PFD topic. Since the month is almost over, I thought I would try my case against the Debate.org community.

Rules:
1. Contender: You are trying to prove that NORTH KOREA poses the bigger threat. I am proving that IRAN poses, in the least, equal, if not greater, threat, in comparison.
2. Format:
Round 1: Case/contentions.
Round 2: Rebuttals
Round 3: Rebuttals/Summary/Voting Issues
3. Not too much focus on the semantics, if possible.

Con Case:

Although North Korea and Iran are stunningly similar nations, strong sponsorship of Middle Eastern insurgencies by Iran and its probability to act irrationally while armed with nuclear weapons make Iran a far graver national security threat than North Korea. It is because of this that I negate the resolution, Resolved: North Korea poses a more serious threat to United States national security than Iran.
Contention 1. Iran supports terrorism.
The most crucial threats to United States national security today are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Council on Foreign Relations reports, "And according to declassified intelligence reports released by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point in October 2008, Iranian support to militants in Iraq has included ‘paramilitary training, weapons, and equipment'. Similar meddling is believed to be ongoing in Afghanistan. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, speaking with journalists in March 2010 in Kabul, said Iran was supplying weapons to fighters in southern Afghanistan." (Full citation: State Sponsors: Iran,
Greg Bruno, Council on Foreign Relations, 10/07/10). Iran is purposely undermining United States military efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is the single most important area the U.S.
currently has military operations underway. Iranian weapons and training helping the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan put a heightened threat on the lives of American military, as well as
foreign militaries in the area. As Iran is currently negatively impacting United States national security in the U.S.' most sensitive military zones, it must be considered a more serious threat than North Korea.
Contention 2. Iran's nuclear threat is compounded by its irrationality.
According to The Heritage Foundation Iran Working Group, "In addition, there are legitimate questions about whether Ahmadinejad, who reportedly harbors apocalyptic religious beliefs
regarding the return of the Mahdi, or others in the Iranian regime like him would have the same cost-benefit calculus about a nuclear war that other leaders would have. Moreover, Tehran could pass nuclear weapons on to terrorist surrogates in hopes of escaping retaliation for a nuclear
surprise attack launched by an unknown attacker." (Full citation: Iran's Nuclear Threat: The Day After, The Heritage Foundation Iran Working Group, 06/04/09). Ahmadinejad has notoriously stated his desire to ‘wipe Israel off the map' in the past, and full-scale nuclear capabilities in Iran
could promise such a scenario. An unstable world leader with nuclear capabilities is to be taken seriously, especially as Ahmadinejad has resisted diplomatic efforts to reign in Iran's nuclear program and harbors enough animosity toward both the United States and Israel that the nation poses a very serious national security threat. As mentioned earlier, Iran has no qualms with
aiding terrorists, and a terrorist organization with nuclear weapons is not a threat the United States ever wants to deal with. This is a very real scenario that a fully nuclear Iran could cause, which makes it a much more serious national security threat than North Korea, despite North Korea's own purported nuclear capabilities.
Contention 3. North Korea is not capable of posing a serious threat to the United States.
North Korea, while aggressive, does not possess the means to threaten the United States in any sort of meaningful way. According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, "North Korea lacks the industrial capacity to build large numbers of long-ranged missiles. They will not be able to build so many weapons as to become a strategic factor in the region." (Full citation:
North Korea Poses No Real Threat to the World, Douglas H. Paal, The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 05/25/09). Long-range missiles are an extremely important factor in determining a potential national security threat. North Korea does not have the capacity to build enough of them to become a strategic threat, which renders Iran far more dangerous. North Korea can be deterred far more easily. According to the Cato Institute, "Granted, no sensible
person wants the weird hermit kingdom to have nuclear weapons or missile systems. But the United States has thousands of nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them with pinpoint accuracy. We have deterred other strange and ruthless regimes in the past, most notably the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin and China under Mao Tse-tung. Both countries had far more nuclear weapons and missiles than North Korea ever can hope to build." (Full citation: A Nuisance, Not a Threat, Ted Galen Carpenter, The Cato Institute, 07/10/06). The United States has deterred far more dangerous nations than North Korea, which lacks the resources to seriously threaten United States national security.
I urge a con ballot for the following three reasons: 1. Iran supports terrorism, 2. Iran's nuclear threat is compounded by its irrationality, and 3. North Korea is not capable of posing a serious threat to the United States. An armed North Korea may be frightening, but an armed Iran is far more dangerous and has much more reasons to attack America. Thank you.
THEBOMB

Pro

Contention 1. North Korean Drug Trafficking
Illegal drugs are one of the biggest growing problems in the United States destabilizing the household and therefore, lowering the educational system. Furthermore, drugs also cause job loss and a loss of tax money. North Korea is a huge drug state. A CRS report given to Congress reports that North Korea is a major drug trafficking country and North Korea traffics heroin and methamphetamine. Since, 1976 there have been over 50 arrests and drug seizures involving North Korea in over 20 countries including the United States. Citizens of North Korea, many of which are diplomatic employees, were apprehended overseas while smuggling heroin and other drugs as well as breaking many laws. This means the drug trade IS state sponsored. Interrogation of these employees brought credible information of North Korean boats loading illegal drugs from their vessels to drug traffickers boats. The North Korean government refines opium into heroin and manufactures methamphetamine drugs in North Korea as a state sponsored crime. It is estimated that 7,000 hectares with the ability to create 30 to 44 metric tons of opium annually. With the ability to process up to 100 metric tons a year. The money that North Korea makes from this drug trafficking is taken and placed into their program to develop nuclear weapons.

Contention 2. North Korea currently holds nuclear as well as chemical and ballistic missiles
On October 9, 2006, the North Korean government successfully conducted a nuclear test for the first time causing 4.3 seismic event. In April 2009, reports show that North Korea had become a fully fledged nuclear power which is an opinion shared by IAEA Director General. Then, on May 25, 2009 North Korea conducted another nuclear test causing a 4.7 seismic event. The North Korean government operates nuclear reactors which creates roughly 220 kg of plutonium per year. This is enough for about 40 nuclear weapons. North Korea also has medium range and long range missiles. The medium range missiles are called Rodong-1 missiles which are an adaptation of Soviet Scud missiles. These missiles have enough of a range to hit 90% of Japan, including American Military Bases, where at the moment humanitarian aid is being conducted after the recent earthquake and tsunami. There are currently 200 Rodong-1 missiles active in the North Korean arsenal and all can be equipped with nuclear weapons and it would be impossible to stop them all. Now, for chemical weapons, North Korea currently has a huge chemical and biological weapons arsenal. It is estimated that the North Korean Army has between 2,500-5,000 tons of chemical weapons including mustard, phosgene, blood agents, sarin, tabun and V-agents. This stockpile is large enough to inflict massive damage to the civilian and military population of Japan and South Korea. The chemical weapons can be delivered by long-range artillery, multiple rocket launchers, FROGs (free rocket over ground), ballistic missiles, aircraft and naval vessels. If provoked enough the North Korean army will launch chemical and biological weapons as well as nuclear at any target they can. North Korean WMD weapons and technology endangers the entire world and the non-proliferation regime. North Korea can provide materials and technology to terrorists to shorten research and deployment time. This means that North Korea is a huge threat to the United States and it's interests.
North Korea supports world wide terrorism. First, the CRS reports that North Korea attempted to smuggle machine guns and anti-tank rocket launchers, to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (Tamil Tigers), a U.S. Government designated foreign terrorist organization in Sri Lanka which is a United States designated terrorist organization. Second, North Korea supports Hezbollah a 2006 to 2007 report by the CRS shows that North Korea provided arms and training to Hezbollah. North Korean trainers masquerading as the Korea Mining Development Trading Corporation went to southern Lebanon to teach Hizballah terrorists how to develop and construct underground military facilities. Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency, is quoted by CRS as stating "vital missile components" of Hizballah missiles fired into Israel during the 2006 war came from North Korea. The report cites 2008 sources indicating after the 2006 war. Replacement missiles also included North Korean components. North Korea supports terrorists groups which are a threat to the United States. North Korea is also the reason why Iran is such a threat. Without North Korea Iran would not be able to construct their weapons because North Korean specialists trained the Iranian specialists. Therefore, North Korea is the one which is more dangerous as without North Korea Iran has no nuclear or military specialists (at least their not as well trained).

Contention 3. The North Korean Military is one of the most powerful in the world.
Since the creation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) in 1948. North Korea has had 2 main objectives the perpetration of the regime and reunification of the Korean peninsula under North Korea. This means militarism is an extremely important part of North Korean politics. In North Korean military there are 4 components: (1) arm the entire population; (2) fortify the entire country; (3) train the entire army as a "cadre army"; and (4) modernize weaponry, doctrine, and tactics under the principle of Juche in national defense. To support these objectives North Korea has created a massive army. In terms of manpower North Korea has the fourth largest military. It has the largest Special Operations Forces and submarine fleet. Furthermore, 40% of the North Korean population is involved with the military and can be easily called up for combat. All this together can pose a grave threat to the United States interests in Asia with an ability to attack Japan and even the United States. North Korea as I explained earlier has huge stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons these could be used to attack American military and civilian assets anywhere in Asia with the use of mid to long range missiles as well as with the use of special forces.

In sum, North Korea supports the world wide drug market which is slowly destabilizing the United States. North Korea holds stockpiles of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons which can attack United States assets in Asia. North Korea supports world wide terrorism which is a major threat to the United States and is also the reason why Iran can actually function as a militaristic country. Finally, North Korea has one of the most powerful armies in the world which can attack the United States and its assets .
Debate Round No. 1
Terminal

Con

Terminal forfeited this round.
THEBOMB

Pro

Since my opponent forfited my arguments carry to the next round.
Debate Round No. 2
Terminal

Con

Terminal forfeited this round.
THEBOMB

Pro

THEBOMB forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Decanus 5 years ago
Decanus
......seriously, terminal?
Posted by cleosantini 5 years ago
cleosantini
Terminal's CON case has been taken directly from the Rupe Scholar's sample March Debate case.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had one less forfeit, but if they seriously forfeit, back up your case and attack theirs. since you both have BOP I can't give you arguments