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Marla_Teddy
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A.Dorrington
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Numbers are the only complete mystery in the world.

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Started: 4/28/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Marla_Teddy

Pro

Numbers are the only true complete mystery in this world. By saying numbers were made up by humans, you're saying numbers are inventions. If numbers are inventions, then how do they explain our universe so well? In math, everything is precise, a straight forward answer. Things like pi , and phi (the golden ratio), explain patterns we find in nature and art and cosmology. There are a few questions we wont be able to answer., but this one debate has even gone as far to drive some people mad. What ARE numbers?
Mathematical realism, like realism in general, holds that mathematical entities exist independently of the human mind. Claiming humans did not invent mathematics, but discovered it instead, and any other intelligent beings in the universe would presumably do the same. However, if numbers could work without the brain, would they still exist? Mathematical anti-realism universally holds that mathematical testimonies have truth-values, but that they do not do so by analogous to a special realm of extraneous or non-empirical entities.
I'm saying there is no true meaning for numbers, that they're just another great mystery of the beautiful chaos of Earth. And if anyone can truly explain numbers to me in a sensible and philosophical way to where they aren't a phenomenon, go right ahead.
A.Dorrington

Con

The only thing is, that before humans, no other being has been advanced enough to identify numbers as numbers, and so therefore before the existence of humans numbers did simply not exist meaning that even though humans did not invent numbers we instead discovered numbers.
Debate Round No. 1
Marla_Teddy

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A.Dorrington

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so I win, or?
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Kaneo 2 years ago
Kaneo
Numbers are concepts, they don't exist in the world. That's all con has to simply explain to win the debate.
Posted by Pfalcon1318 2 years ago
Pfalcon1318
I would accept this, but i'm still trying to figure out what you're arguing for. The resolution says that "Numbers are the only complete mystery in the world." but you are arguing that they are mysterious. An easy disproof of the resolution is to ask the question "why does something exist, rather than nothing?". If you can change the resolution to fit your arguments, or vice versa, i would love to accept.

As far as i understand it, you're arguing that numbers are A SINGLE mystery rather than THE ONLY mystery.
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