Obama is a Celebrity President
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yoda878
| Started: | 5/15/2012 | Category: | Politics |
| Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
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 Pro Simple debate, Obama has been called the "Celeberty Presedent" Lets decide here and now.  Con I thank my opponent. Definitions: Celebrity: A person who has a prominent profile and commands a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media. [http://en.wikipedia.org...] President: The head of state and government of the United States. [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Obama: Barack Hussein Obama II, born August 4, 1961, the 44th and current President of the United States. [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Pro has the BOP. Since all of the Presidents have been celebrities (fullfilling the definition), Pro must prove that Obama has a much greater prominent profile and commands a higher degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media than other Presidents, thus making him a "Celebrity President." I await Pro's arguments. |
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Pro Simple debate, Obama has been called the "Celeberty Presedent" Lets decide here and now. Obama has been called a celebrity President. I am not here to argue wither that is a good thing or a bad thing that is up to an individual opinion. We could argue all day wither that is good or bad. More so is he a celebrity president? The answer is simple, yes. Have you seen any other president, to be so successful as to get on the forbs celebrity list? The answer is, no. Obama was the first president to make the list. We also have President Obama’s celebrity fundraiser, the biggest presidential fundraiser ever, hosted by Gorge Clooney. Only Celebrities were invited. http://entertainment.inquirer.net... Oprah helped make him a celebrity just like she did with Dr. Phil. He also appears in celebrity gossip magazines; whither you want to think of him like that, the celebrities already do think of him as one of them. http://celebrity-gossip.net... First Black president that might be helping make him a celebrity, thanks Celebrity Gossip. Celebrity birthday bash for President Obama I could go on but, I’ll leave it at this. Con Pro demonstrates that Obama is a celebrity, "a person who has a prominent profile and commands a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media." Since any president is automatically well-known and influential, all presidents are essentially celebrities. A "celebrity president" would be a president that a far more well-known and influential than regular presidents, in the same way that a celebrity god would be a celebrity among gods, or a king king would be the king of kings. My opponent has not made any argument supporting her case whatsoever. I turn the debate over to Pro. |
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Pro Closing arguments: Con says: “a celebrity god would be a celebrity among gods,”
How about a Celebrity among Celebrities?
Con says:
Thank you con, for acceptance of this debate; it has been short and sweet. (The way I like it)
Con "How about a Celebrity among Celebrities?" That could work, too. You are supposed to be refuting, not adding to, my argument. "Thanks for agreeing that the statement is correct, but actually I didn’t use any arguments using the fact that he is president. I only gave a few of the many ways he is a celebrity in other ways, other than being president, (that presidents in history have not done) but because he is president." You did not provide any definitions. I provided them instead, and you did not make any attempt to dispute them. My definition of celebrity was "a person who has a prominent profile and commands a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media." Your examples could be called "attention getters," which have indeed gotten him famous in other ways. However, they have not given President Obama vastly more "public fascination and influence in media" in relation to what other presidents have had, like Bush or Clinton. I quote myself: "Since all of the Presidents have been celebrities (fullfilling the definition), Pro must prove that Obama has a much greater prominent profile and commands a higher degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media than other Presidents, thus making him a "Celebrity President." You did not disagree with this burden. Since Pro has clearly failed the BOP, I urge a Con vote. |
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Vote Placed by RoyLatham 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: the associations with George Clooney, Oprah, and other A-list celebrities make President Obama a standout among presidents, featured in "day-to-day media."
Vote Placed by OberHerr 1 year ago
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| Total points awarded: | 7 | 0 |
Reasons for voting decision: Counter VB 1dustpelt and Veritas. If you want to tie it, then vote 0 points to both sides.
Vote Placed by bossyburrito 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: The resolution was "Obama is a Celebrity President", not "Obama is the Biggest Celebrity President." Also, Pro used sources.
Vote Placed by 1dustpelt 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: There obviously is a misunderstanding of definitions. Tie this.
Vote Placed by imabench 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: pro met his BOP to show that Obama is a celebrity president but i am awarding all other points to the con since pro's spelling was atrocious and nobody else seems to care.
Vote Placed by ConservativePolitico 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro proved that Obama is more of a "celebrity" than other presidents because other presidents did not appear in gossip flicks nor did they appear on shows such as the View. Also, Pro used various sources to make his point clear and factual. Con used no sources and barely refuted Pro's arguments instead trying to play a weak schematics ploy. Pro wins.
Vote Placed by Stephen_Hawkins 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con showed problems (only just) with PRO's definition. PRO basically had to state that "Obama is more of a celebrity than other presidents" and compare to other presidents. Alas, he did not.
Vote Placed by InVinoVeritas 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Definitional battle... Tie this.
Vote Placed by 16kadams 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Even the definition clash made pro win still both fit his argunment. He also showed he made celeberety lists. He shows up in those magazines too.
Vote Placed by Greyparrot 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Somehow, pro got Con to present an argument supporting the bop...unusal.
The resolution was "celebrity president." Not a celebrity in other ways.