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ReganFan
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studentathletechristian8
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12 Points

Obama is a Liberal

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/22/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ReganFan

Con

What he has done defies what Liberals are.
studentathletechristian8

Pro

I thank my opponent for the debate and the readers for this opportunity.

I shall affirm the resolution, "Obama is a Liberal."

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Burden of Proof: I posses the Burden of Proof to affirm the resolution and prove that President Barack Obama is a Liberal. However, as The Instigator, my opponent also contains some of the Burden to negate my contentions and attempt to prove that Obama is not a Liberal.

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Definitions:

Obama- Barack Obama; President of the United States.

Liberal- a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.

liberal- favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

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Arguments:

During Obama's campaign, he stressed the importance of moving forward and bringing change to America. As current President of the United States, he has done just that. Along with his Stimulus Package, he is creating various reforms (including the Healthcare Bill) in an attempt to better the American public and bring a better impact among world affairs.
In political affairs, Barack Obama is favorable to progress or reform. He has instilled various bills and legislation that qualify as being favorable to progress or reform. Several examples of these are the Stimulus Package and the "Cash for Clunkers" Act. Although some may argue that these have not worked out successfully, it is irrelevant to the debate. I have proven that Obama is a Liberal in respect with politics and political standpoints.
In religious affairs, Barack Obama is also favorable to progress or reform. He believes that the Bible, along with Christianity, should tolerate homosexuals instead of rejecting them. At several colleges Obama spoke at, he ordered the crosses to be removed from several distinct locations. Although my opponent may feel these are offensive to his religion, they still show that Obama is favorable to reform in religion, giving evidence that Obama is a Liberal in religious affairs.
Therefore, I have proven that Obama is a Liberal in respects to political and religious affairs, which are specified by the definitons. I have affirmed the resolution.
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Conclusion: My opponent has failed to create an argument. I have successfully proven that Obama is a Liberal by my definitions and contentions. I heavily urge a Pro vote.

I thank my opponent and the readers for this opportunity.
Debate Round No. 1
ReganFan

Con

I would like to include some definitions that my opponent has forgotten. I understand I now have the burden to not only negate my opponents arguments but to provide proof that Obama is not a liberal. My argument is that Barack Obama is in fact a moderate conservative.

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Definitions:

Policy- a plan of action adopted by an individual usually based on the individual's beliefs or ideology.

Conservative - a person of conservative principals or views in politics or religion.

Conservatism - a political ideology supporting tradition and traditional values

Moderate - In politics and religion, a moderate is an individual who holds an intermediate position between two viewpoints, neither to be extreme or radical by those applying the term. The word "moderate" can also be used as an adjective describing such a position.

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Arguments made by Pro:

1) The Stimulus Package is a liberal policy.
2) His opinion on health care reform is liberal.
3) The views he has on Christianity are liberal.

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Rebuttals:

1) Stimulative programs are not liberal, in fact they have been enacted in present time and in the past by conservative leaders. Two prime examples of these are Canada's 11th Prime Minister Richard B. Bennett, and the 22nd and current Prime Minister Stephen Harper, both of them are conservatives. Now when Richard Bennett became Prime Minister it was 1930 and the country was in he midst of the Great Depression, and in response to the dismal economic environment he created a stimulative package that was very similar to Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" http://en.wikipedia.org.... Now fast-forward to the 2009, current Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has recently enacted a $22.7 billion dollar stimulus package which focuses on the creation of infrastructure projects all across Canada http://www.cbc.ca.... These two examples prove that stimulus is an acceptable economic policy in the eyes of some conservatives.
2) Due to the fact that this is one of the centers of my counter argument it would be pointless for me to respond to this twice.
3) I would like to ask my opponent to provide a citation of this information in his next argument before I even attempt to negate it.

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Counter Argument:

The policy which is enacted by a President is almost by definition the conversion of their political ideology into action, with each policy President Obama enacts the further to the right he appears . During the general election and the democratic primary "candidate" Obama seemed much further to the left than "President" Obama, allow me to explain: As the debate about health care reform continues in the United States it seems President Obama has continuously back away from liberal ideas on health care such as enacting a single payer health care system http://www.correntewire.com... and his attitude towards a public health care option seems to be shaky too for example, his Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius recently stated that a public health care option is "not the essential element" of comprehensive health care reformhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com..., many people view these as signs that the President is taking a moderate conservative stand on health care. The second reason that has lead people to believe that Barack Obama is a moderate conservative is on stance on the military policy towards gay soldiers "Don't Ask Don't Tell", now referring to the definitions provided, a liberal (a person who is favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs) would want the policy repealed to be replaced with a policy more accepting towards the gay community, a hard conservative (a person who supports tradition and traditional values) would want it repealed to be replaced by the former policy, and a moderate would probably like to keep it the same and this is the stance Obama has taken on "Don't Ask Don't Tell", he hasn't done anything.

I would like to thank the readers and my Opponent at this point in the debate.

Your move Pro.
studentathletechristian8

Pro

studentathletechristian8 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ReganFan

Con

Forfeit Noted.
I will abstain from posting an argument in the hopes my opponent will post a response.
studentathletechristian8

Pro

I thank my opponent for the debate and the readers for another opportunity.

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I would first like to begin by stating that I have been taking unnecessary criticsm and poor displays of conduct from ReganFan outside of this debate. Here are some examples:

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He has personally attacked me and has created an obnoxious image for himself. He should really act his age, not his shoe size.

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Forfeits: I greatly apologize for my second round forfeit. School has just started and I am still trying to catch up. I would just like to mention that essentially, my opponent forfeited the first round of the debate by failing to provide an opening argument and did not provide any argumentation in his third round response. Technically, my opponent has given up two rounds of the debate, whereas I have only forfeited one. Thanks for allowing me to clarify.

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Arguments: I shall make this short and sweet. My opponent has accepted my definitions of "Liberal" and "liberal." All I need to do is prove that by those definitions, President Obama qualifies as a Liberal.

1) Politics- Obama is favorable to progress and reform in political affairs by enacting the Stimulus Package and the "Cash for Clunkers Act." By definition, that qualifies Obama as being liberal in reference to politics.

2) Religion- Obama is favorable to progress and reform in the acceptance of homosexuality in Christianity and in being more open-minded about other religions. By definition, that qualifies Obama as being liberal in reference to policits.

Conclusion: By the presented definitions, Obama qualifies as a "Liberal" by being liberal in several instances of political and religious affairs, which fall under the word "liberal" in my round one argument. My argument may have been longer, but ReganFan's tirade outside the debate has made me feel poorly about myself. The resolution is affirmed. I heavily urge a Pro vote. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by True2GaGa 7 years ago
True2GaGa
retard
Posted by ReganFan 8 years ago
ReganFan
How is it favorable of progress? I provided evidence that stimulus its not very progressive because it was used in the past many times.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 8 years ago
studentathletechristian8
The stimulus package is favorable to progress or reform, and by definition, that is what part of being liberal is. This debate was about definitions and qualifications.
Posted by ReganFan 8 years ago
ReganFan
You didn't state how the stimulus package made him a liberal, you provided no proof, I did, no matter how weak it is I still provided it.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 8 years ago
studentathletechristian8
It does not matter if conservative leaders used things like the stimulus package. I played this debate by the definitions and qualifications. You have a very hard time of comprehending what is truly meant from what is stated. You need to chill out.
Posted by ReganFan 8 years ago
ReganFan
When you said that Obama was a liberal because of the stimulus package so to make that claim you would have to explain how it makes him a Liberal and you didn't, i addressed that point by saying that stimulus has been used in the past and present by many conservative leaders and this point went completely unaddressed which means it still stands. I asked you to provide some kind of source or quote from Obama about his religious views and you did not, you could have used a quote from the Saddleback debate and you didn't, you could have provided a link to a news story and you didn't. You have no arguments that have not been addressed and seeing you didn't address them my points stand.You have no withstanding arguments, meaning you haven't proved hes a liberal.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 8 years ago
studentathletechristian8
Well, with your out of line insults in the threads hurt my soul deeply. Besides, all I had to do was prove that Obama is a Liberal, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RESOLUTION. Once again, I was able to prove that Obama qualifies as a Liberal under the debate parameters.
Posted by ReganFan 8 years ago
ReganFan
You didn't address any of my arguments, you didn't post anything in round2 and then in round 3 you posted exactly what you wrote in round 1, In round three I chose to be fair and gave you a chance to respond and you have distorted the truth ad tried to use it against, that's disgusting.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 8 years ago
studentathletechristian8
Once again, my opponent is mislead and misguided. My opponent failed to present any argumentation in rounds one or three. I only failed to provide argumentation in round two. You do the math. Also, all I had to do was prove Obama qualifies as a Liberal under my definitions, and in this debate, he did. Thank you.
Posted by ReganFan 8 years ago
ReganFan
Are you that incredibly thick? I am not debating outside of this debate. I did not forfeit any of my rounds, no matter how many times you claim I have. You didn't respond to my arguments. I allowed you to post an argument after you forfeited as a sign of good conduct and all you have done is attacked me for it.
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